[00:00:00] Speaker A: What's up? All of my very favorite sluts out there. Welcome back to thy Queendom. Come. I am your host, Queen Lo, and today I am so excited. I have a fantastic guest for you, the Carmella clutch. I am so excited for you to hear our conversation. A little housekeeping. First things. I have officially nailed down and confirmed my summer west coast tour dates. I will be in person in LA doing sessions from July 31 to August 7. And I will be in Sacramento from August 9 to the 12th. So if you are interested in a session with yours truly, go to my website, thyquendom.com, and click apply. And with that, so many of you know my guest today. She is brilliant. She is a fucking badass in this industry. She is gorgeous inside and out. I am so happy that I met her and her assistant Max by chance at Xbiz earlier in January. We connected instantly, and it's turned into having this conversation. And I'm so grateful that it happened. I am excited for you guys to hear it. So, as always, sit back and settle in and enjoy a Carmella clutch. Everyone.

[00:01:24] Speaker B: Dreams can come from nightmares too. The queendom will take over you. Dreams can come from nightmares too. The queendom will take over you.

[00:01:40] Speaker A: So that we don't miss any of the good stuff.

[00:01:44] Speaker C: The hilarity that's about to ensue. Because I have so many questions. Literally.

[00:01:50] Speaker A: First, let me say.

First, let me say to everyone, welcome back to thy Queendom. Come. And I am so fucking happy to finally be having this conversation with the Carmella clutch adult film actress, professional porn star, ruler and queen of the Clutch army. Welcome so much.

[00:02:14] Speaker C: Thank you guys so much for having me. Thank you, my love. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so glad we got to do this finally and tell me what happened. I need to know. The tea. In fact, I got my protein water tea right here.

Okay, good.

[00:02:28] Speaker A: I've got mine as well. First, I want to say that this is like, the fourth or fifth time that we have gone at this particular interview. Because, like, Satan, not today.

[00:02:44] Speaker C: Literally. [00:02:45] Speaker A: We had.
[00:02:45] Speaker C: I had Covid. We had technical issues. Oh, my gosh.

[00:02:49] Speaker A: The first one, we had audio issues. And the second one, I just want to say that this girl showed up. She sent me a message. We rescheduled. Cause we had audio issues. We rescheduled. And you sent me an email in the morning saying you were a little bit under the weather, but you were still gonna make it. And this girl showed up to this interview virtually, of course.

Literally with her eyes barely open, coughing just like, no, I could do it. I was like, get your ass to bed.

[00:03:25] Speaker C: Everyone was so mad at me because. Not just because of that, I refuse to, like, call it millennial crises or whatever. I just have it. I have to keep working. I wake up and I

start working, and I can't. I can't turn it off because I love what I do so much, and I don't like to let people down. So, I mean, I had Covid. I had found out that morning that I got Covid. I had to go to the urgent care.

[00:03:50] Speaker A: She had a solution for the Erde and showed up to this fucking interview.

[00:03:56] Speaker C: They literally were like, take these meds, and if you aren't better in 24 hours, if you're not feeling a little bit better, go to the ER. I, of course, wasn't feeling any better, and I stayed home, but that's because I didn't have the strength to get out of bed. But also, the ER is a shit show.

[00:04:12] Speaker A: Nobody wants to go there.

[00:04:13] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I mean, with a positive COVID test, they would have just put me in a different area from everyone else so as to not spread it, I assume. But the moment that I went in there and I was coughing at the urgent care, they kind of were like, that she might have a cold. But you know what? Just to be safe, they put me in my own room. And turns out they were right, literally, when they did the nose swab and they told me I had Covid, I was like, you're fucking kidding me.

[00:04:39] Speaker A: Oh, my God.

[00:04:40] Speaker C: They're like, yes, you have Covid. I'm like, no, Doc, I can't have Covid. I've been vaccinated so many times, I feel like a brand new baby.

No. He's like, I'm sorry to tell you, but I have the lab results. And I'm like, I need to see them. That's not possible. He's like, you hear they're. It's positive.

No, I refuse. I. But I have. I have to be in Miami in two days. He's like, you're not going anywhere. Maybe the hospital.

[00:05:07] Speaker A: Yeah. No. And, I mean, you had Covid, sis, like, you poor thing. She was ready to go through with this conversation, this interview, and her eyes were just barely. And she's still hot as fuck, by the way. It should be illegal to have Covid and not look like a sewer rat because I look like a sewer rat when I have Covid.

[00:05:27] Speaker C: I thank you for saying that I felt like a gross teenage boy because I just. I felt, you know, you. I felt dirty. I felt like. I was like, oh, my God, I have the vid. I don't want to be around. I don't want anyone to see me. I don't want to be around anyone. But at the same time, I really, really, really didn't want to cancel this interview because I. I love your fucking podcast. I love how real and authentic and just the conversations are good conversations that people should hear, especially in relation to sex and the world of erotic. And it's just kind of. I was really disappointed that I wasn't able to, like, tough it out. But I do appreciate you being, like, girl, go back to bed.

[00:06:07] Speaker A: No, thank you so much. My. I already had so much respect for you, but then I literally was, like, telling my man, and at the end, I was just like, this woman, like, you can just. I knew you were a hustler. I knew you were a grinder. I knew you worked fucking hard. It's evident. But, like, I don't know. I've had Covid a couple times, and I just. I don't know if I could have ever mustered out to get in front of a camera and a microphone to have a decent conversation. I was. And you looked like one of, like, the hot, sick girls from the movies, you know, when, like, the girl is sick, but she's like.

[00:06:39] Speaker C: It's, like, right around my nose.

[00:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm like, you've got your, like, little hoodie on. It's like, okay.

[00:06:45] Speaker C: It's like, I could do this sweating through three layers, and it's 68 degrees in here, and I'm still sweating, but it's okay. I'm okay.

[00:06:52] Speaker A: Like your host, kick ass to bed. [00:06:56] Speaker C: I appreciated that. Thank you.
I called up Max, my assistant, and she was just like, how'd it go? And I was like, she sent me to bed. She's like, that's probably a good idea. You should just take your ass to bed. And, like, I feel like I need to. She's like, put your phone down. Put on Harry Potter, and go to sleep. And she knew that would put me to sleep.

[00:07:18] Speaker A: No, I domed you in that moment. I was like, get your ass to bed.

[00:07:23] Speaker C: I was like, I don't know if I'm turned on or if I'm going to bed right now. I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

[00:07:28] Speaker A: Either way, you're going to bed.

But then it was mad respect. But then flash forward to today, and we've had to push this interview. I had to, like, email her frantically, like, can we meet 30 minutes later because, well, my mom's in town, so I wanted to. She cannot be quiet. Even though I have plenty of space for her in this house. There's no way she could maintain an hour or so quiet on set. There's just no way. So I was like, why don't I just take you to the beautiful beach? Taking her to the beach, running behind. I'm having tech issues. But the real thing is that for the past week, we have been getting terrorized inside of my house. There has been a wild animal breaking into our fucking house.

[00:08:15] Speaker C: So define wild animal, because I consider myself a wild animal. But I mean, like, it sounds to me like it's. When you say that, I think of bobcat or bear.

[00:08:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, so interesting. Wow. Interesting that you choose a bobcat or a bear, because it's basically a fucking combination of both of them. So I wasn't gonna go here today, but I feel like I have to go here today. And besides, we've already established Carmela is gonna be a regular on this show. So at this point, we get to. Just get to go wherever the. It flows us. And right now, I am. Most of my mornings this last week, while my mom is visiting, has been dealing with trying to figure out what the fuck has been coming in at night and destroying our kitchen. So it all started, like, several. Several days ago. My man comes down and he takes these. He's like, what the fuck? Like, my cat is meowing like crazy. He's going nuts. He comes down, my cat's looking at his food and his water. It's completely empty, which it never is. And there are. He's looking at you like, yeah, like, what the fuck? And there are three peeled bananas on top of my kitchen counter. The banana thing is, like, the banana holder is falling over and there's three peeled bananas. Like, dainty fucking bananas. Nothing else. Right? So then two nights ago, we made the mistake. And at the time, my man saw this cute little stray cat outside. So we were. We were like, okay, that's bandit. Bandit clearly came in. But, like, bandit, do cats peel bananas? Like, they don't.

[00:09:47] Speaker C: They don't have opposable thumbs.

[00:09:48] Speaker A: Yeah, they don't have a thumb. How does it. And it was so dainty. And they were so. Like, they were laid out on the kitchen counter. It was bizarre. And so then.

[00:09:55] Speaker C: So it was. It was some kind of cat bear thing that has OCD, something.

[00:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that's very neat. Very OCD, very tidy. I was just like, what the fuck? And so. But here's the thing too. We have these two windows that have, like, these bars on the outside. And my cat is able to go in and out as he pleases, which is lovely. It's one of the reasons I wanted this house. So obviously, that's how the culprit is getting in, you know? And it's not that big of a space, but it's fucking big enough, I guess. So then two nights ago, we ordered. We had some fruit, and we ordered some Caesar salad that obviously has, like, the anchovy dressing in it. And we got a little stone, had a little bit of wine, and. And there was. It was just not. It was not completely tidy. Right?

[00:10:45] Speaker C: And.

[00:10:46] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yesterday morning, my man woke up to a disaster. Like, an actual disaster. There was leftover, like, lettuce strode all through, like, the main area of the house. And trash. The trash can had been opened. And I don't. I'm not even going to go into here. The gory and disgusting things that. That led to when there was just fry. I live in the fucking jungle. Okay, guys. I live in the jungle.

[00:11:17] Speaker C: Oh, my God. I, like, did you find him or her?

[00:11:23] Speaker A: So yesterday, we spent the entire morning bleaching. I mean, it was insane. Carmella. So then this morning, I wake up again, and my man is like, he struck again. And obviously, I feel like a lot of people are like, shut your fucking windows. But, like, I don't want to box my cat in like that. Like, my cat likes to go and come and go, especially at night. He likes to come and go as he pleases. And this morning, my full bag of cornmeal was slashed, like, with a claw, and it wasn't even opened. And a fucking pineapple. A full pineapple was on, like, my island in the kitchen. And my. My man is the one who came down and saw it. And he. He was so triggered and traumatized from yesterday, what the trash being out led to an infestation of. It was fucking insane that he didn't even grab a picture. He literally just went to clean up the pineapple juice. But he looked at it, and it had a hole, like, as if there was, like, a drill bit, like, drilled.

[00:12:29] Speaker C: Out through the right.

[00:12:33] Speaker A: And so I'm sitting here like, holy shit. Like, what fucking animal is this? Backtrack to last week when my mom got here. Like, the day my mom got here, I took a video. I heard something, like, stomping around up there. And I took a video of this thing, and I was like, oh, this is clearly a possum. I showed it to my mom later, and she's like, that's not a fucking possum. I don't know what that is, but that's not a possum. And so we looked it up online, and it was a co t. A co t. C o a t I. Okay.

[00:13:02] Speaker C: What? I'm sorry. I don't. What the fuck is it, Cody? [00:13:07] Speaker A: And so we. So this morning.
[00:13:09] Speaker C: It's like a mongoose, almost.

[00:13:11] Speaker A: No, so it looks. It's a mix between a monkey, a raccoon, and a fucking anteater. A fucking anteater. Their noses. So this morning, when I was supposed to be, like, charging my computer and, like, figuring out tech shit, getting my mom to the beach, we're sitting

here with our coffee, like, what the fuck is going on? And we're googling it. And my mom is a mysterious person, and she starts reading out these facts about these fucking cody animals, about how they can, like, drill their noses, essentially, about how their claws, like, they have claws like monkeys. They love fruit. They love. They love vegetables. The corn mill. I mean, there is literally. It's a. It's a wild. And they stand up. They have these long, long fucking tails that they actually stand up on. Like, they literally. Like, they use them to balance. This motherfucker was in my house, like, getting the bananas. And I don't know how we thought for a second that the cat was peeling the bananas or the cat opened the tall trash can.

[00:14:09] Speaker C: No, don't fucking blame me. I have no opposable thumbs. You can't even train me to use the toilet. Don't know.

[00:14:18] Speaker A: It's not me.

[00:14:19] Speaker C: I don't want to be in trouble for that. The cat's sitting there in cat jail, and you're like, bad kitty. Bad. And you're just like, no, it wasn't my. Fuck.

[00:14:27] Speaker A: It definitely wasn't my cat. I thought it was, like, stray cats. But the fact that we thought for a second that a cat could come and be that dainty and, I mean, like, it's crazy. It's insane. So now we have this. I want to take a video of it, but I don't, like, know how. You know what I'm saying? I can't. I think maybe we'll leave a pineapple out for it, like, out at night tonight, and try to set up a.

[00:14:52] Speaker C: Video, some of its favorite stuff, and then get a little nanny cam.

[00:14:57] Speaker A: And we're back. What did I say about tech issues? All right, so we've got wild animals. We've got fucking wild animal.

We've got also wild animals.

And speaking of the wild, were you well enough in time to end up going to ex biz?

[00:15:16] Speaker C: Yes, I mustered together. Instead of getting there a few days early and spending some time with fam, I ended up going just the days that it was going. It was going on. So I got there Monday, and, I mean, we busted out so many seminars, we learned so much. We met with so many people. We've got a nice, clear vision of now what the future projects are that I'd like to get started on. I'm so excited to be getting more involved and more creative in this industry. I felt like it took a few years for me to kind of find my way of like, this is content that I want to do. This is the direction I want to take my brand, and this is like, things I want to incorporate. As with any kind of art, I feel like it takes a moment to find your voice, especially in this industry where you have so many people telling you you're a Latina, you're this, you're that. Trying to tell me who and what I am because I fit into certain genres or categories. I feel like finally I'm like, okay, I'm this, I'm not that. I like this. I'm going to do that. And now I have all the pieces of, I know enough videographers, photographers, I know enough people to really start pushing my brand in the direction that I want. So it's a very exciting time. And Miami Expos?
Miami was kind of the catalyst of being like, you know what? I have been doing this for five years, and I've done so much that I didn't think I could accomplish. Why not go ahead and shoot for the stars? So that's kind of where we're on right now.

[00:16:42] Speaker A: Okay, well, that's so exciting. And I want to ask you about what, like, what projects you're that are coming up that you're ready to talk about. But first, because I know who you are, I'm always excited to learn more because you're a fascinating woman. Thank you. But why don't you just start by telling us how you got into this industry, who you are in this industry,

because I think you have a beautiful story that I love.

[00:17:07] Speaker C: Well, thank you. So I'm your favorite horny homegirl, Carmella Clutch. I started in this industry about five years ago.
I went to school for marketing and advertising. I was back in school for medicine. And then I was like, you know what? I want to do something that helps people, that makes people happy. I want to travel, and I started applying to the Peace Corps. That was actually ten days before I was supposed to leave to China to serve in the Peace Corps for a couple of years. And, oh, my God, this was July of 2019, and they. Ten days before I was supposed to leave, I've already, you know, hired people and for. To replace me at my job, I've taken sabbaticals from school. I've said goodbye to all my family and friends. They all think I'm crazy. But, hey, I'm going to China.

[00:17:56] Speaker A: And I lived in China in 2017, and I can confirm that you are fucking crazy, but you're not that crazy because you didn't end up going, apparently. Okay, keep going.

[00:18:06] Speaker C: Well, so ten days before I'm supposed to head out, they. They call. They didn't call me. They emailed me, and they were like, hey, so we're rescinding your invitation, and it has to do with health reasons. And I'm like, health reasons? I've been going to the doctor every month, getting blood panels and hormone panels and everything that they need because, you know, they want to make sure you're going to be healthy over there. What could you possibly mean? And they obviously didn't say that it was Covid. It wasn't until a few months later that I was like, haha, Covid. I was supposed to be in Wuhan. That makes sense.

[00:18:38] Speaker A: You be in Wuhan.

[00:18:39] Speaker C: Well, part of their training is you go to. You fly into Beijing. Everybody flies to, like, the western half of the country, and then they fly into Beijing, and from there they fly to Wuhan, China. And that's where you train for six to eight months before they send you to the rural areas. Guess where you volunteer? You volunteer your extra time at the wet markets. And obviously that's where the breakout was initially happened. And they rescinded everybody's invitation. I just thought it was mine because, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I just was like, what's wrong with me?

[00:19:12] Speaker A: Crisis avoided. Oh, my God. Wow.

[00:19:16] Speaker C: I thought about it, and I was like, I could go back to school. I could pick up my job again. And I just. It didn't resonate with me. I wasn't happy. And I had in between taken a small part time job working for a content creator out in Miami, and I saw. I was basically assisting the photo shoots and the content and making sure the model house ran smoothly. And
I. That's where I got my name. [00:19:43] Speaker A: Hell, yeah.
[00:19:44] Speaker C: And. And I kind of was like, I want to do this. This makes me happy. I. I feel like if I had the opportunity to pursue adult work, I would have to sacrifice everything, but I would do it. And three days later, I get the news that I'm not going to China. And I'm like, well, what do I. What am I going to do? And I'm like, I'm going to learn everything I can about this industry and I'm going to do it. And it wasn't easy because there's no exact recipe to this for success, and there's so many avenues, but for what I wanted, it's a very challenging road, especially for someone who looks like me. I was 30 at the time, so I was out of the teenage error.

I'm a voluptuous woman. I'm a ethnic woman in an industry that reveres blonde hair, blue eyed 18 year old girls who have a very different figure from myself. So I was told no, from every agency, from every company, from everybody for months, closer to a year, which is crazy.

[00:20:49] Speaker A: Go look at this girl's socials, guys. Like, what?

[00:20:52] Speaker C: I love my fans, because my fans are who were like, we'll buy your content from you. And I started making it for them, and eventually they're like, well, why aren't you on bingo? And why aren't you on browsers? And I'm like, well, that's them. That's not me. I can't book myself for that. Eventually, they screamed enough that the companies were like, I know we said we didn't want to shoot you, but we really like how many people follow you on social media, and maybe you can advertise for us if we're. You're in a scene. So it is a really interesting time in all entertainment industries because people are being booked based on following count rather than talent or determination.

It is a game that we're all playing these days, but I love my fans because they really pushed for me, and I've had so many performers tell me more recently, and I don't put myself on this pedestal, but I've had a lot of people reach out and tell me that I was the first voluptuous model they saw on mainstream, which I. I mean, I don't think necessarily is true. They were like, Monet, Devine. There's. There's so many other people that came before me, but I feel like, because it was the explosion of social media at the time that I was coming in, and Onlyfans was just starting to take off, that, you know, to have someone say, hey, I didn't think I was beautiful until I saw you on mainstream, and that touched my soul, because growing up in the nineties and early two thousands, Paris Hilton was the one that was hot. There was no J.

[00:22:28] Speaker A: Lo.

[00:22:28] Speaker C: Like, that was considered hot. There was no Kim K.

So having a standard of beauty that felt like I couldn't live up to because, you know, my skin tone was different or my body type was different was really rough. And to be able to turn around and help people feel really good about themselves and confident of themselves, it's touching in a way that I can't even describe. I've got, like, worm tinglies everywhere right now.

[00:22:50] Speaker A: Oh, and I love that so much. And it's like the skinny blonde, literal teenager shit that's, like, kind of shoved down our throats a lot through not just. Definitely not just adult porn, but through mainstream media, it's shoved down our throats. But I think what you find is that a lot of guys don't actually want that. Like, a lot of guys like stuff to hold spice. They want variety.

They don't actually just want what's been shoved down their throats, which is interesting. And I think that we've seen a lot through the huge blow up with Onlyfans and everything. I mean, through with the 2020 blow up of Onlyfans. Not only does everyone know someone, whether they know it or not, who's a fucking feet picture or something like that, but also it's. It's shown light on how many people are into how many different things.

[00:23:47] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.

[00:23:48] Speaker A: We are like. We are very, like, we are diverse, complex creatures, and people want things all over the board. And so that's one thing that Onlyfans is really like in this, the last couple years. As toxic as we both know it can be. Like, it has been beautiful and, like, opening the eyes of fucking white dudes in fucking middle America who are like, wait a second.

[00:24:15] Speaker C: And I feel like it's also lended itself to reducing the taboo of certain kinks. Like, I know a lot of people who didn't understand or, like, foot fetish. I myself didn't have a foot fetish until I was making content and I was doing for shout out freak mob. For freak mob media was doing a foot job scene with him, and we had worked together a little bit, so he kind of already knew my likes and didn't dislikes. I'm in doggy position, and I'm using my feet to, you know, stroke him, and then he grabs me, fucks me, flips me over, and then, as I'm coming, sticks my toes in his mouth, and now he's rewired my brain. So if you stick my left toes in your mouth while you're fucking me, I will come no matter what.

[00:25:03] Speaker A: Sometimes I'll listen.

[00:25:05] Speaker C: And it's only the left foot. It's only the left foot. And he's like, I did that on purpose. And I go, why? Because after the scene, I asked, he's like, because those are connected directly. It's like with your finger, it's connected directly to your heart, which is the circuit for everything. So he's like, I literally rewired your brain to like it. And I'm like, I hate you right now. Because now people know that. So I get on set, and guys, first thing they do is throw my toes in their mouth. And I'm like, bro, stop watching my porn. This is not fair. I can't have an orgasm two minutes in. Like, I need to build it up.

[00:25:39] Speaker A: I would like a compilation video of you having your foot stuck in your left foot stuck in someone's mouth. And I want a compilation video, orgasms the whole way.

[00:25:52] Speaker C: My face in shock.

[00:25:54] Speaker A: Like, that's amazing. Whoever that guy is, I fuck with him heavily, and I love that so much.

Always freak him up. I always talk about the feet. And I worked for an acupuncture doctor college, and he had the feet charts. And so he would talk to me about how every single point is, like, connected. Because all of your blood goes through your feet. That's why. Like, and your ears as well, oddly enough. Like, that's why if your ears or your feet are cold, like, it really impacts your whole body, right? And so your feet are actually so sensitive. And I. I went to this. This old medicine man in Bali named Papa, and he, like, does shit with the bottom of your feet, and he hits these pressure points that make different parts of your body react. And it's. I mean, it's fucking crazy, but it's proof. Like, your feet are so sensitive, there's so many nerves down there. And like, yo, my man didn't have a foot fetish before me. I don't think he has a foot fetish now, but he has a fetish for my feet for sure. And I've got a fetish for my feet. Like, hell, yeah.
Like, I want that shit licked, sucked, all of it. And I know exactly what you're talking about.

[00:26:58] Speaker C: Crazy, crazy fun story. Story time. I was at x biz Miami, and I was having fun with a male talent there. It was after the. The award show that next day or two, maybe that whole weekend, we were kind of just feeling on each other and everything like that. And I guess
I. I guess he's seen something of mine before, which is. It's common practice, like, especially if you don't really know the person. You've probably seen their porn at some point. And I like, as he's on top of me, he leans up, and he grabs. He started kissing up and down my leg, all the way down to my feet. And I looked at him like, no, no, no. Don't do it. Don't do it. Oh, my God.

And it just. It got. At that point, I was like, this is a thing. People have seen me come so many times with toes in my mouth that, like, I even have fans talk about how much they want to just. They don't have a foot fetish, but they want to stick my toes in their mouth because they want to see my face, do all the crazy facial expressions.

[00:28:03] Speaker A: I mean, it probably feels like some type of badge of honor. And these men, they're like, oh, wait, I'm doing the trick. I mean, has it ever not worked with anyone? Like, it would be really, like a shot, like a stab in the ego.

[00:28:18] Speaker C: There's certain things that you can do to help enhance it. So I guess people expect that enhanced, like, you know, being soft with your lips and then softly, softly dragging your teeth along them. Sucking on specific toes have, like, specific reactions. So when they just go in and put the whole foot in their mouth, they're, like, expecting a reaction, and it's not that reaction. So maybe there's a little underwhelm, underwhelming feeling there. But if they do it right, the reaction is I. My leg shakes and I start super soaking every rows of sports.

[00:28:53] Speaker A: You fucking super soaker in this bitch. Niagara falls fucking blood. Yeah. Actually, you know, this is probably a good time to help our. Help our fellows out. If you're shoving our foot in your mouth like it's a cock and you're trying to deep throat it, it might be a little overwhelming, but maybe, like.

[00:29:11] Speaker C: Kissing on the toes softly.

[00:29:14] Speaker A: Yes. Actually, you know what? Go out and learn an eastern medicine, like an acupuncture doctor's foot chart, which tells you which points in the foot lead to where in the body and then. And then fucking.

[00:29:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I had. [00:29:26] Speaker A: Right? [00:29:27] Speaker C: I had a fan.
[00:29:28] Speaker A: That's why the different toes feel different.

[00:29:30] Speaker C: I had a fan at Avian's a year or two back, or maybe it was x three, a year or two back, who I was wearing these tall, big, big busty boots because I'm kind of short. And I'd been wearing them all day, and they were very comfy. But by the 16th hour, my feet were like. And he came up to me and he goes, he looked at my feet, and he looked at me, and he looked at my feet again. He's like, can I rub your feet? And I'm like, oh, honey, you don't want these feet. I've been in these boots all day. They're really smelly.

[00:29:57] Speaker A: Oh, my God.

[00:29:57] Speaker C: He pulled out a water cash. He's like, I really want to rub your feet. Can I please rub your feet? And he handed me $40, and I was like, sure.

I grabbed the chair. I sat down, I took off my. My boots. Who? And I, they weren't easy, but they were, like, sweet smelling.

[00:30:17] Speaker A: That's what they want. That's literally.

[00:30:19] Speaker C: That's why he paid more. And then he sat there, and I kid you not, I was gonna give him five minutes with my feet, the way he. Because he knew what he was doing with the massage. I just sat there melting. I had people come up, and I was like, I need ten more minutes. And he was like, he's like, I can do ten more minutes. I was like, yes, please. He's like, can I put them on my face? I was like, I don't care, as long as you don't put them in your mouth, because that's a little too much with a stranger. But. But also, like, yes, as long as you keep

massaging them and getting those little pressure points in between and everything. So, yes, I absolutely am a big fan of, like, guys, men, women, everybody. Learn the parts of the body that feel good when you massage and learn how to do it, because if it's for your partner, they're gonna appreciate you more. If it's for a one night stand, they're gonna call you back for another.

[00:31:11] Speaker A: So, no, that's literally what I was just about to say is maybe the reason the world hates. Because I actually, I had something happen similar at Avian, except where we come at this from different angles. Because if a bitch comes up to me and he's like, can I rub your feet? I'm like, take off my shoe. Kneel and take off my. Take off my shoe. Which is what happened. Avn Queen mother. My mom was there, like, taking videos. It was sensational. I'm, like, finding things while this slut is, like, massaging my feet. I'm like, yeah, this is totally normal.

[00:31:36] Speaker C: Do it, slut. Do it.

[00:31:38] Speaker A: Do it. But, like, maybe the world hates so much. On, on foot fetish people, because if, like, they have to keep.

They had. The world has to keep you weak. Because, honestly, I don't know a single woman who would not be so thrilled to actually have a man who's, like, into feet in a way that, like, they study them, they massage them. And if you can just put your weird judgments aside, like, it's so. It. There's so much stimulation. Like, my friends make fun of me because of how often I talk about feet. I'm like, literally, get your toes sucked.

[00:32:12] Speaker C: Like, you don't realize that you're on your feet all day. You're on the go all day. You don't realize how much pressure and pain is really in them till you actually sit down and play with them. Or even better yet, have someone massage into them, too. I'm like, I have.

I have a foot massager literally right there next to me that goes next to the couch. And, like, once a day, I put my. My little toesies and my feet in there. I turn on the heater on them, and I just let it massage my feet, and I just sit there like, aw.

[00:32:46] Speaker A: I mean, a second to having a little slut who's, like, caged, who's, you know.

[00:32:51] Speaker C: Yeah, I just. I don't have a little slut here.

[00:32:53] Speaker A: With me on their knees. We're just waiting for you to put.

[00:32:57] Speaker C: That sounds really hot. I would just. I would also want to use them as furniture. I'm that type of person. Like, kneel there and let me put my feet on your shoulders. You can watch tv while I watch tv with my feet up. You know, like, you're a piece of furniture.

[00:33:13] Speaker A: You're a piece of furniture. When I'm smoking my pot, you're my ashtray. [00:33:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Stick out your tongue.
I'm gonna put it right there. I love it. I love it. I'm slowly.
So I realized this also through the industry about myself. I came in thinking that I was a total natural sub, and I realized I am not a natural slow sub. I am not a total sub. I'm none of those things. I am a true switch. I will. I will kneel to the right people. I kneel more easily to women

than I do to men because I feel like there's an empathy thing that they can understand a little more. And since they have a similar figure and body, they understand. Ow.

[00:33:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Right.

[00:33:59] Speaker C: Also, I'm just. I'm very iffy about the power exchange dynamic. [00:34:04] Speaker A: I feel that.
[00:34:05] Speaker C: And as I've matured into this milfy role that I. That people have handed me. Being in this industry, I've realized, one, it's an honor to be considered a MIlF because it's.

[00:34:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it is.

[00:34:17] Speaker C: It is. It is. It's a certain way of carrying yourself, of being, literally.

And I've realized that I am a lot more dominant than I thought, and I've been having more and more fun with it, leaning into it, and learning about myself as a dom, as a woman, as. As an adult. Like, it's. It's a beautiful experience. So if you do have these tendencies or inclinations or even wonder, find safe and healthy methods to explore them, because the rewards of it leak into your day to day life. Like, yes, things happen. And I'm like, I got this. Don't worry about it. Or watch me boss this up. And, like, having that kind of confidence where I maybe would have been more shy, timid, or weak, it really. It spills into your day to day life.

[00:35:06] Speaker A: Yeah, no, people don't like. And I go on about that shit all the time. Like, I say that, that's like my. I cannot stand. I know. Ben Shapiro said it a couple years ago when I first started my podcast, and he wanted to go back to traditional, you know, narrator narratives, where what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom, and I fucking load that statement because it's simply false. It's not true. And what happens in our. Within our sexuality, within that space, it absolutely follows us out. And it's funny that you said that just now, because something I've definitely realized in this industry is that even the women who play this submissive role a lot of times in. Within sex work, like, and that's their role online, those are some badass, dominant fucking bitches. Like, that is the role that they are playing, because that's what they're choosing. But to be in this industry, at least to be empowered in it and to be your own boss lady in it. Like, you may act like a submissive little slutty whore on camera, but off camera, you're a bad bitch fucking. Taking care of business. And that. Is that more masculine, that more dominant. And it's. And so it's interesting how many women like you I meet in the industry who say kind of similar, of like, I was more submissive, I am more submissive. But everything about their life outside of the camera is like, oh, no. Like, you are in your dom bitch mode. It's just. And we all have it. It's just like, aren't there sides of it that are stunted? Is our masculine stunted is our feminine stunted?

[00:36:37] Speaker C: I also think that this industry provides a really unique opportunity for women, especially to get paid, if not equal, more than men. So totally, it's empowering in another way. And I find also in, even for my civilians who are in my DM's, the ones that want me to dom them the most, they are the owners and CEO's of Fortune 500 companies. I won't name any of them, but yeah, you know, they are politicians. They are. They are people who you would expect to have this dominant masculine role in their life. And all they want is to be able to be put in their place or for them to not have to make those decisions. I play a boss woman every day. So when I find someone I trust very well and know that I can let my guard down and be in my feminine, that's really important to me. And honestly, it's one way to stay in my life really easily, because I'm just like, oh, you make me feel like it's a safe place, like I can be feminine. I can just let you take the lead, daddy, you know?

[00:37:37] Speaker A: Yes.

[00:37:38] Speaker C: You know, but it's so rare to find. But it's a very common practice where people who are very dominant in their life, who have to be assertive, want to just be able to turn their mind off and relax. It's rare, but it's rare to be able to do in a safe environment. But it's a common practice.

[00:37:57] Speaker A: That's such a good point. It's rare to be out that people do it well, but it's so fucking common. And even pop culture is starting to reflect this. I don't know if you've seen like the show billions, the main guy, the prosecutor in that show, you know, goes home and his wife is doming him. And that's like, it's happening more and more and we're seeing it more and more because it's fucking true. And I say it like I tell people, like I tell my, my Sibi, my Sivi friends and, like, it just seems hard for a lot of people to believe and. But you're saying this now, not me. Like, I. It's example.

[00:38:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I can give a per. I'm sorry to interject, but I can give a perfect example for, for the civvie friends.

Everyone has the man of the head of the house, right? Everyone knows that concept. But if he comes home and his wife is not having it, he's not having it. And what does he do? He sits the fuck down.

[00:38:48] Speaker A: Yeah.

[00:38:49] Speaker C: At least that's how it is. In my household, it would always be the man's head of the house for the woman's neck.

[00:38:55] Speaker A: Well, and they fucking should. Here's the thing. Like, I think men who are good leaders, good leaders know how to submit. Just like they say. Good leaders, like, can do everything that they are telling people to do. They've done it all kind of thing. Like, good leaders know how to listen. Good leaders know how to submit when someone else has something to offer. Good leaders know when to sit the fuck down. And I think that's, like, what people think of dominance in leadership. And they don't realize that they think of dominance is this, like, make me do something, this type of force, which is absolutely not. And so I think so many of my. Not every one of my clients is, you know, a big money maker, huge boss man. A lot of them are. And a lot of them do. They come to this space because they don't want to be boss in the bedroom as well as the boardroom all the fucking time.

[00:39:48] Speaker C: Like, they need a break to release and let go and let someone else take the lead. It can be really hot, too. When a woman takes the. When a woman finds her own inner strength and is able to freely execute that in a safe and healthy environment, there is nothing more beautiful. We say that Mother Nature is a force to be reckoned with. There is nothing more beautiful than watching a woman step into her own power and. And be able to assert herself in a safe and caring environment where both are. Have equal responsibility to each other's safety.
Because that's something that people don't talk about a lot, too. With powers. With dom sub dynamics and power dynamics, the sub has just as much power as the dom. In some ways. They have the ability of cutting the scene.

[00:40:34] Speaker A: It's empowered choice. That's something. I love that because a lot of times people talk about doms as if, like, doms are superior. Like we are. Like, subs are shit. You're a fucking loser. And it's like submission. True submission is a choice. It's an empowered choice. It's given away. And as soon as that choice, as soon as that power isn't being given

away and it's being taken, that's abuse. [00:40:56] Speaker C: That's when it's not sexy.
[00:40:57] Speaker A: That's when it's not fun. Yeah, that's not fun. It's not to choose to give away power.

[00:41:03] Speaker C: And it's good to practice those moments, because I've had moments where I've forgotten my safe word. Literally. I'm about to do something. And I'm, like, panicking. Like, nope, this is triggering. I don't like it. I don't like it. I want it gone. I want to stop it. And I didn't know how to stop the scene. I had to. I started crying and I begged the person that was doming me, like, please, really?

[00:41:23] Speaker A: No.

[00:41:23] Speaker C: And they had. It took them a minute to realize that I was actually in distress and needed to stop. And then he stopped and he grabbed my face and he said, what's wrong? And I was like, I can't do this. I'm. It was a. It was a golden shower, and I have had some trauma from previous work that. That left me a little scarred. And it was really hard for me to get over that. And. And it was a moment where I just. I was like, I. For. He's like, what's your safe word? I'm like, I don't remember. I. I don't. Because I was so distressed. And we called the scene, and he ended up just holding me in bed for a little while while I cried and cried and cried, which is also a really important thing. Aftercare is important.

[00:42:03] Speaker A: Aftercare is crucial.

[00:42:05] Speaker C: And then the lesson was, you need to remember your safe word. So I had an assignment following up as a real dom would do. The assignment was to write out my safe word, like, a bunch of times so I would never forget it.

[00:42:20] Speaker A: That's literally exactly. That's exactly what I would have had. You would have had you do. I would also, there are other people who forget safe words out there. Body. Body motions, too. Sometimes we can remember body motions.

[00:42:34] Speaker C: Yes.

[00:42:35] Speaker A: So I've definitely recommended that to people. Like, whether it's a squeeze on the elbow or, like a flashing hand or a thumbs down or, like, if there is some type of. Because sometimes people can't speak or scissors.

[00:42:47] Speaker C: Yes. In the industry, we usually have a safe word. You know, if something goes wrong and we have. They ask us to have a physical motion as well. So it's a really good point. Even on these pro scenes, they're like, okay, so what's your end word? Some. Some directors don't prefer the word cut because they feel like they're the only ones that have the obtained the right to say cut. But mostly it's cut or pause, at least on those pro sets with me.
And, you know, the motion is this, like, if I'm uncomfortable and something isn't happening, what I'll do is I'll move my hand off camera. So let me try and, like, I'll be off camera. And I'll be like. I'll be like this to the director. And they'll be like, okay, cut. What's wrong? Are you okay? Like, what do you need? It's those who can't see.

[00:43:31] Speaker A: She's doing like a scissor. A scissor motion. Like a cutting motion. Like rock, paper, scissors kind of thing.

[00:43:36] Speaker C: Like rock, paper scissors, exactly.

[00:43:38] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that's a great one for people to utilize, by the way. I think that's a good hand signal.

[00:43:43] Speaker C: I have a civvie friend who's a lawyer, and hers is litigation.

And because her husband or her boyfriend, is it also a lawyer, he's like, no, don't want that.

[00:43:55] Speaker A: You know, so funny. I've always. I always use pineapple because it's something that everyone knows. I always tell people if they want to change it, they can, but I've never had. I mean, if that they have something really against pineapple. But it's actually been good because people can remember it. But then also the red red.

That's the yellow green light system is good. Yeah. And then the hand motions as well.

[00:44:19] Speaker C: The red yellow green is great. When you are doing. When you're in a scene that expresses pain or pain tolerance because sometimes you don't want it to end, but you just want them to go a little softer or maybe location. So the paddles not hit the same spot.

[00:44:34] Speaker A: No, I did a CBT scene. I did a CBT. Well, not a scene, a session with a CBT. So recently. And we had like, 30 something clothespins on his cock. He was put up on the St. Andrews Cross. He was getting whipped. He had the, like, micro, micro needle gloves going into him. He had shit on his nose.

[00:44:52] Speaker C: Like, I like the flogger that has the little spikes on it. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Oh, he knows what I'm talking about with the chains. Love.
[00:44:58] Speaker C: I love that one because you could drag it off softly. You can whip it. Such a great dynamic piece.
[00:45:05] Speaker A: I actually love that fogger. And there was one of those there. And I keep wanting to get myself on when I'm in the States, but I'm genuinely worried about crossing, like, the border with, like.

[00:45:17] Speaker C: So. I can't speak about crossing the border. [00:45:20] Speaker A: Heavy duty flog.
[00:45:22] Speaker C: I don't. I can't speak about. Maybe if you check it into your bag, you'll be okay. Yeah, I definitely. I've definitely had a carry on. Another story time. I had a carry on once with all these toys because I was doing a bdsm scene and I had, like, nail scratchers. I had floggers, I had pins, I had nipple clamps. And they, of course, stopped to look at my bag. And it had. The bag was filled with dildos. To be fair, it was an assholes live forever bag that said. That was a duffel bag that said drug money on the side. You know what?

I'm an asshole.

Not intentionally, but it was a cute bag. It came into whatever. So they stopped to check it, and I thought I was being funny. And they're pulling out one hitachi, two hitachi dildo that's getting bigger. Bigger. We're talking dildo that goes from this size to this size to this size. And they're

like, what the fuck? Now they start pulling out floggers. Leather. This one has velvet, then it comes from spikes. And they're like, what the fuck is going on? And I'm like, by the way, I didn't have time to clean any of this. Yes. So they dropped it. They're like, what the fuck? And some of them went, the lady was really upset about it. The guy. I mean, they had gloves.

[00:46:37] Speaker A: Very kinky person.

[00:46:39] Speaker C: Yeah. How dare you? And they. They open. There's like a whole string of condoms. And they're just like, what the. And I'm like, listen, you can't tell me what I'm allowed to be into. These are not weapons.

[00:46:50] Speaker A: The guy, the pilot, the guy that.

[00:46:55] Speaker C: Was going through the bag was like, haha, this is funny. He recognized me. He knew what I was doing and who I was. He's like, whatever, you know, you're not gonna claw someone. Like, okay, we get it. You know?

[00:47:05] Speaker A: So is the bathroom and Wangenhe right afterwards, I hope. Lucky boy. I hope he did your toes sucked on.

[00:47:15] Speaker C: There's nothing that turns me on more than when people tell me that they just, like, finished whacking to my videos or that they enjoyed a specific video. I love finding out what people's kinks are, because then I'll do them in a video and I'll look at the camera and like,
I. So I recently found out that someone really loves when I blow kisses to the camera on my story and everything like that. And he's a someone that's been on my platforms for years. And so we've created this camaraderie or companionship in a way. You know, I asked about his family and his work and this and that to make sure he's okay. But then we have our fun through the DM's. So when he told me that now I can't wink at the camera, because I'm really bad at it. It looks like I'm weird, but I'll blow kisses on my story. And there are four specific fans who tell me they have a cake for this. And, like, I love finding out what people's kinks are. I like to integrate them.

Exactly. Or if they tell me that there's a specific color that they. That they like, I'll wear that color and just be like, this is for a special someone. You know, like, that is.

[00:48:20] Speaker A: And then that makes everybody else jealous, too. [00:48:23] Speaker C: Or they think it's them. They think it's them. [00:48:25] Speaker A: I think that's true.
[00:48:27] Speaker C: I've had other performers reach out to me and be like, I saw that kiss. He blew me online. And I'm like, that was definitely for you.

[00:48:34] Speaker A: Okay.

[00:48:35] Speaker C: Absolutely for you, baby.

[00:48:38] Speaker A: That's so funny. Have you always been. We talked about a little bit. A little bit about this the first time we. The first. Our first take of this episode, which was completely different, by the way. We're just on a different, completely different train now. Like, the world is getting what the world is getting.

[00:48:51] Speaker C: Yes.

I hope one day we can recover the audio from it, because it's such a good interview, but we're gonna be many more.

[00:48:59] Speaker A: So, so good. That's true. Have you always been a kinky person, or what was. How were you sexually coming into the adult world?

[00:49:11] Speaker C: So, at a young age, I started having sexual fantasies of the CNC, consensual, non consent rape fantasy, you know, a variety. That was. That was my. It was a kidnapping, BDSM rape, and then eventually led to a gang bang. And I was very, very young.

Am I allowed to say how young I was on this?

[00:49:33] Speaker A: Is that okay with you? I mean, it's your personal story, I think. We're not. Yeah, it's your personal story.

[00:49:37] Speaker C: I don't mind. I was. I was seven years old when I had this fantasy. Seven. [00:49:42] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:49:43] Speaker C: So, yeah, so I've always been very kinky. I was just very quiet about it because my mom used to tell me the difference between a whore and a virgin is, who knows? So I was always very.

[00:49:54] Speaker A: Oh, wow.

[00:49:55] Speaker C: Very, very quiet about it. I had to be. I had curfews, so I had to be home. My friends would be off playing with each other, you know, at the wee hours of the morning after the party, and I would be home in bed already, just fantasizing about it.

[00:50:07] Speaker A: Can I ask you real quick? Because since we went there, I. I oftentimes tell my story and how I've always been a sexual person as well. Like, I remember having sexual thoughts and fantasies, like kindergarten. I mean, very, very young.

[00:50:21] Speaker C: Absolutely.

[00:50:21] Speaker A: And I think a lot of people assume that it's because of some type of trauma, and I think a lot of people out there, it is. There is a lot of trauma and shit that goes into it. But at least my. I experienced sexual trauma when I was older, when I was a teenager. But really, when I was a kid, like, I didn't, like, I just was.

[00:50:43] Speaker C: A. I was just a sexual person. I was just thinking about, like, that's. [00:50:48] Speaker A: The way it was. Free.
[00:50:49] Speaker C: Yeah. I was just thinking about kisses that young, at five, I was thinking about kissing.

[00:50:54] Speaker A: I was. I was making my barbies have sex.

[00:50:57] Speaker C: Like, yeah, I would make all. I'd make all the Barbies have sex. It didn't matter if you were girl girl, guy, guy, guy girl. I. You know, like, I put the girls heads on the guys.

Yes.

[00:51:07] Speaker A: My barbies. All of them. Yes.

[00:51:09] Speaker C: Barbie. Dream house was a shoot house. [00:51:11] Speaker A: It was, yeah.
[00:51:14] Speaker C: So, I mean, like, 100%. [00:51:16] Speaker A: I feel I've always been.
[00:51:18] Speaker C: I think. I think there's something to be said, though. I didn't experience sexual trauma until I was much older, and I think it was more of being over sexualized at a young age because of my ethnicity or my body type. People just assumed that I was that type of girl. We found out in my. During puberty that I have somewhat of a medical anomaly. At 1112 years old, I had the estrogen and testosterone levels of a woman who's 35. So I was in my sexual peak in middle school, and so I'm sitting there, and they're trying to teach me the pythagorean theorem, and I'm like, I want to do every single person in this room, including the teacher.

[00:52:01] Speaker A: That was literally me. I wonder if I had that going on because I had a fat crush on my kindergarten teacher, Mister Michael. And I, like, I'm like, I didn't know.

[00:52:09] Speaker C: And if you're watching this Mister Michael, you could still get it. You know, just say, he's too old for me now.

See, I'm into it. I'm into it like him now.

[00:52:18] Speaker A: Anyways. No, I went to school in the. In the south, and it was a private, like, christian school, so I can. I feel, like, kinky about that, though.

[00:52:27] Speaker C: Yeah, there's something kiki about that. I have this thing, you know, like, I can. I can corrupt you. Oh, your God. What?

[00:52:32] Speaker A: No.

[00:52:35] Speaker C: You'Re gone. What?

[00:52:37] Speaker A: Yeah. No, that's exactly it. I have. I have subs all the time from, like, especially the south and stuff, who relate to my kind of upbringing and thy queendom come and they ask for, like, straight up. Like, they want blasphemy, man. Like, and I'm honestly, as someone who graduated from a christian college, I'm here to fucking give it to them. But then I'll have, like, people from other religions come to ask me and have them, like. Like, for me to denounce the God, and I'm like, oh, hell, no. Miss me with that.

[00:53:05] Speaker C: No, I can't do that.

[00:53:07] Speaker A: I'm, like, the shit out of my Southern Baptist Christianity, but miss me with all the rest.

[00:53:14] Speaker C: Yep. No, it's there. It's important to probably point out that there are

certain things that everyone has a strong no limit to. A hard no. For me, it's. It's race play. I refuse absolutely to a degree. Like, I have done hijab scenes. Yeah. Yes. But I've never. I've never straight up, you know, cursed out someone else's, you know, God or anything like that. I'm more spiritual than I am religious. I'm not really religious at all. Grew up, you know, in. In the church and everything like that. They didn't like me. I had too many questions.

So, I mean, I don't. I try not to, like, you'll never see me say, fuck your God or anything like that, but I. I will say, oh, your God. What? Because they'll be like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Oh, your God what?

[00:54:00] Speaker A: Bringing him into this?

[00:54:01] Speaker C: Yeah, you want. You want him here? I'm your God now. [00:54:05] Speaker A: That's it.
[00:54:06] Speaker C: No one is the closest I get.

[00:54:08] Speaker A: I know the. Well, I was just so deep within Christianity and, like, the religiosity of it. And so, like, for me, like, I love pushing on that, but it's because I know it. And honestly, I was fucked by it a couple times. Deep in the ass with no loop. So I feel like I have the right to be able to. I can do that. You know what I'm saying? Saying. But, like. And people for race play, for example, people might think, oh, who would do that? I literally had a guy message me yesterday for it, and I was just like, this is something that actually, people do ask for. Yeah, a lot, but, yeah, the hard nose. There's a lot of hard. There's a lot of hard nose.

[00:54:44] Speaker C: And that's okay.

Exactly. It's healthy to know what you're comfortable with and what you're not, and sometimes it takes dabbling or playing along that line to figure out what it is. That you're comfortable with and what you're not comfortable with. For me, it was a very easy no for the race play, because I'm of mixed descent. I have latin, native, and african american ancestry or african ancestry. For me, there are certain things that are just very hurtful because I've seen my family struggle with being treated differently from myself and me being treated differently from some of the other family because my family looks like a rainbow, like everyone in there. So for me, those were easy, hard nos. But then as I go along, I'm like, hmm, I didn't like doing that. We're not gonna do that. Or I really enjoyed my toes being sucked. So we're gonna require that of each person that subs for me, definitely, you know?

[00:55:39] Speaker A: Yeah.

[00:55:39] Speaker C: If you're not into feet and you're trying to sub for me, please. [00:55:43] Speaker A: It's not gonna work.
[00:55:43] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.

[00:55:45] Speaker A: Just get lost. You're not gonna pass the application process. No. It's so true. And I think sex work, like, sex work really helps you kind of figure that shit out. And it takes. It takes figuring it out, and we're just in a position where we get to do that. But I think a lot of people, like, a lot of just civilian, normal people don't really get that chance to explore outside of what they like their normal.

[00:56:08] Speaker C: And I think because it's not so prevalent for them, a lot of the. One of the easiest mistakes I see people make is they, oh, you like doming? I like subbing. Let's just be.
No, there's a whole vetting process. There's a negotiation, a vetting process. I need to make sure you are the right type of dom for me. Like, I don't do well with militant doms. That's not how you're gonna dom me. I need you to be more of a subtle or sensual, soft dom.

I need that because I have suffered some things in my life that have made me, and I'm.

I have to learn what type of sub I am. I'm a princess brat. I'm a princess brat. Those two together. So it's really hard to get me to do things that I don't want to do. Do you have to find ways to dom my mind and make it a fun game for me, you know, or make the rewards the case?

[00:57:01] Speaker A: For a lot of people, it's like a mental.

[00:57:03] Speaker C: Yeah. So some people, I think that some people just link on a social media platform and they're just like, yes, you're into this and I'm into this. And let's explore without actually being like, how much experience do you have? Who have you worked with? Do you have any references? Are you currently subbing someone else? You know, doming someone else? You know, what do you require of them? What is required of me? You know, like, what are the hard limits for you? What are the hard limits for me? These are things that have to be negotiated. You know, is it a 24 hours, seven days a week type of thing, or is it, you know, scene work? Are we only doing for short periods of time? It's a commitment, too. I think a lot of people just jump into this world without really taking the time to think about how it'll affect their outside world. I'll give an example. I have a very fun friend in Miami. He's a doctor, so I'm not going to say his name, but he's a doctor, and he enjoys it. When I and I record this, he goes and gets tested for me the same way. There might not even be any kind of penetration. He just wants me to feel comfortable working with him in every capacity, and he likes for me to treat him like a carpet. Like, I walked stomp all over him with my feet and sometimes with my heels, but at once.

[00:58:19] Speaker A: We love carpet slut.

[00:58:21] Speaker C: Yes. And then I make him walk me around and suck my toes. And, like, I literally sit on his back while he walks me around. Um, and there are moments where, you know, he'll be like, hey, I would really like to play today, but I have a vacation coming up with my, uh, friends, and I can't have inexplicable bruising to my random abdomen area from heels.

So can we just do bare feet today? And, you know, of course. Absolutely. Like, we'll do this to whatever you're comfortable with. And then, of course, he'll be like, hey, so I don't have anything. It is the winter months, and I'm gonna be clothed, and it's the three days in Miami when it's actually, you know, cold. And I will sit there and grab my tallest, most unforgiving heels. I will make him put them on for me. I will make them him clean them for me, like, lick them clean. And then I will stomp all over him. Sometimes I'll even pull out his ball skin. To stomp on the skin specifically.

[00:59:21] Speaker A: Absolutely. You will. Oh, I love stopping on that ball skin. [00:59:24] Speaker C: Oh, it's so fun. It's fun.
[00:59:26] Speaker A: I know. I've shoved a stiletto up someone's ass. [00:59:29] Speaker C: Oh, that sounds like fun. I'm gonna make him do that. [00:59:33] Speaker A: No.

[00:59:34] Speaker C: Yeah.

[00:59:35] Speaker A: Hundred percent. I put a condom over it so that it would slide in and nice and clean up a little bit. Yeah, but up a little bit and just shove it right in there. Yep. Yeah. No, I love. I love carpet bitches.

[00:59:48] Speaker C: There's so much fun. There's so much fun. [00:59:50] Speaker B: But it's.
[00:59:51] Speaker A: It's actually. It's interesting because, like, when you, like, we come at it from a slightly different angles. Like, do you do mostly studio work these days, or are you most doing solo? Independent?

[01:00:02] Speaker C: So that's with the new projects and finding my own voice in this industry. I still work with studios. I still do the studio work, but I also produce a lot of my own content now, so. And this is based off of what people are asking for slash what I like. So I like, I'm going to talk a little bit about the scene I did yesterday. I like forced orgasms, you know, and also refusing orgasms. That's one of my little teaser. Yeah, exactly. So I did a father's day couple of photo shoots for Father's day, and I did a couple of solos, and the most intense solo was a. Was me tied up in daddy's ties. Because, you know, what do you get for Father's day? You get him a tie, right? Something like that. I've got, you know, his white shirt there and everything. I'm tied up in daddy's ties, and I get a fuck machine. And I'm asking, begging, pleading with daddy to please let me come, that he never lets me come. And he's always at work, and I want some attention too. And for 15 minutes, I wasn't allowed to come while this thing was just fucking me in different positions. And I'm tied up.

[01:01:08] Speaker A: This is so hot.

[01:01:10] Speaker C: And I'm tied up on a chaise lounge with, like, a stair behind me, like a spiral staircase. So I'm able to grab onto the staircase and, like, adjust myself as needed and, like, try and fumble with it. And that just added to it because I'm fake struggling, but I'm still struggling. And, I mean, there's.

[01:01:30] Speaker A: And are you filming this by yourself, or do you have a team there with you?

[01:01:33] Speaker C: So I've actually gotten really lucky that being in the industry for a little while, I found a studio that has all of this stuff just ready for me to use. I hired a videographer, one of my favorite directors, Marcus Rivera, shout out to him to do this. And he's there controlling, and he's there, like, no holding the camera, like, no. Giving me the no signal because I had to play off of someone makes it easier. And then he knew when he saw this, this timeframe that he was going to allow it, and I. When he said yes, I was like, I squirted everywhere. It was. I wasn't even planning on it.

[01:02:08] Speaker A: That was gonna be a great video, guys. [01:02:10] Speaker C: Oh, my God. I'm.
[01:02:11] Speaker A: We should have a watch party.

[01:02:12] Speaker C: I'm genuinely excited about it because I'm at a point where I'm producing

the content I want to make. These are my kinks. Like, I've been able to show everyone, like, okay, and I cater to you, and I cater to you, but there's something different about when you see it's something that I like. You see me light up a little bit differently, and. And it's. It's fun. We did a couple of scenes yesterday because I wanted to make Father's Day a big. A bigger deal than I had in the past. I call it daddy's day. I just. The day, yeah. And the day before that, I was promoting for. I did a photo shoot promoting this old Hollywood would glam, beautiful, elegant black and white film for a award show that I'll be hosting at the end of the summer. So it's. It's two very different types of content that I'm creating, but they're both different facets of my personality and parts of yourself. Shout out to Ivan for. For directing that one. It takes a very creative eye to make me elegant because I'm a little bit klutzy. So I'm sitting there in my heels, and I'm tripping over.

[01:03:15] Speaker A: I feel that.

[01:03:16] Speaker C: And I'm like, do I do this? How about that? But being able to be in a space where I feel comfortable enough and I have the resources to create and make the things that I feel that I like. Oh, it's a whole other. It's a whole other part of this that I never really got to explore because I was so concerned about making it into mainstream. And now that I've been there, done that, had fun, still have plenty of companies I want to work with, still plenty of talent I want to work with. Now I'm doing more stuff for me, and it's really cool.

[01:03:48] Speaker A: I'm sure it's empowering is. It's empowering as hell. Like, coming into this and being, like, told no. And then all of a sudden now, like, being able to not only be this, like, beautiful, confident, strong woman, but to also be making it, like, and being successful and creating your own shit like that is.

[01:04:09] Speaker C: It's rewarding to have people go from no to. We booked you because we wanted the curse. We want the natural ass shaking. And at one point in my life, a couple years before porn, I was 203 pounds at five foot one.

[01:04:27] Speaker A: So that's what it was. Yeah. You're like, five. Five one. You're just a little thing.

[01:04:31] Speaker C: I'm just a little thing with lots of curves. I only look tall because of the angles. But, um, I was. I was very voluptuous. I did not feel comfortable. I was working, you know, a desk job, so I was. I wasn't really active, and I didn't feel like any kind of media outlets would make me feel comfortable in my own skin. I didn't feel sexy. I didn't want to be sexy because of what all the outside sources were telling me, what was sexy, and it wasn't me. So I took my. I started taking my health a little bit more seriously. I suffered with tons of eating disorders, anorexia, bulimia, everything in between. And eventually, I came to a point where, like, I just wanted to live a healthier lifestyle. And then from there, I started enjoying the way I looked and wanted to explore my sexuality. And eventually, down the road, I got into adult work. And since then, you know, when you're traveling and you're just starting out, you can't always afford to eat organic or healthy or hire someone to help you with these things. You're just eating on the go and you're traveling. Now I've come to a place where I'm a little bit more comfortable being able to handle that stuff. I'm in the gym between two to 4 hours every day. Every day.
There are, you know, occasionally there's a day or two where I'm just like, I have to take a break, or I got my period, and I'm like, I'm just not moving today, or I have Covid, and I'm like, I find it hard.

[01:05:56] Speaker A: I find it hard to believe you take a break, but I'm gonna listen. [01:05:59] Speaker C: To you version of a break is when my body powers down for four to 6

hours every night. And then I wake up and I'm like, phone sending pictures now.

But I'm really blessed. Honestly, I'm blessed to have a team. I cannot do this without my team. I cannot do this without my assistants, who. I mean, I can. It's just. I would not. I would not be as.

[01:06:22] Speaker A: You don't want to?

[01:06:22] Speaker C: I don't want to. I don't want to, you've met some of my team. Maxine is incredible.

[01:06:28] Speaker A: Maxine is incredible.

[01:06:29] Speaker C: My sister in my rock, and she, you know, I couldn't be able to do this without her. I could. Having that, that support system, having a coach, my trainer, who, while I'm in Miami, is like, when are we training? 09:00 in the morning. Okay. Open that door. Get the heat on you so that you can start sweating this out. You know, having someone that I can, like, literally, I'm going to this restaurant. What can I eat? He looks up the.

These are three options. You can have those. And I'm, it's basically like, what I.

[01:06:56] Speaker A: Do with my food sluts. Like, I, when I, when I tell them exactly what they can. Again, I love that.

[01:07:01] Speaker C: Oh, that's, that's a good one. Maybe I'll incorporate that, too. [01:07:05] Speaker A: Maybe you make it sexy.
[01:07:07] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. You know, and learning balance, I think that's the hardest thing, especially in our society. In this society, in this day and time, we're so quick paced with everything that we forget to prioritize and balance. And I'm not gonna sit here and, and say that I'm the best at balancing anything, because I am not. I am so I don't.

[01:07:29] Speaker A: Anybody who says that they are the best at balancing things, like, I don't trust. I'm like, you're either lying or you don't have enough shit going on in your life.

[01:07:36] Speaker C: Exactly. I'm like, I, I mean, yeah, no, I mean, from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep, there's usually something going on. There might be literally a hundred percent. It might be like an hour or two before I actually power down. I say power down because I just basically fall asleep out of nowhere, no matter where I am. You know, there are some moments where I power down and I'm smoking a joint and I'm relaxing at the end of the day. And that, you know, those are, those are my little me time moments. But having balance is really hard in this day and age, in this society, and in this world that we live in. I don't think there's enough hours in the day. I can't, I don't have kids. I can't imagine the, the mom doing it themselves and going to the gym and killing it at a nine to five. I just, I would cry.

[01:08:19] Speaker A: I wouldn't be able to do it. It's insane, because in one way, like, us not having a nine to five, we have, like, a 24/7 working for ourselves. But I don't know. For me, it's rewarding as fuck. And, like, what I love about I met for everybody, I met Carmella at Xbiz, and immediately we were talking about, like, health and wellness and spirituality within this industry and how to stay healthy in it and how, like, what we're trying to do in it. We're on very similar missions.

[01:08:49] Speaker C: I think the hardest part is the mental health, especially in this industry.

[01:08:53] Speaker A: Yeah.

[01:08:53] Speaker C: You're constantly hearing no from everyone for every reason. Your pinky toe is too short. You're just a little too voluptuous. You're too brunette. I've had people tell me to go blonde. I would look stupid blonde.

[01:09:05] Speaker A: Stop.

Girl, if you ever. If you ever dye your hair blonde, I will come to you. I will fly to you, and it will not be good. I'm bringing my chains, my heavy chains, bitch, I bring.

[01:09:17] Speaker C: I'm dyeing my hair back.

I swear to God. No. I was having this conversation with Max yesterday. I was like, maybe I should lighten it a little bit. Everyone's saying I'll get paid more. And I'm like, that's just not my look. That's not my. Maybe I'll go Auburn red. It's just not me.

[01:09:34] Speaker A: So, I mean, and how many people love you? So. And on it, at the end of the day, do whatever the fuck you want. But it's like, I think so many people love you because you're you. Like, and it's so. I mean, the. I'm sorry. Like, I just. I'm a Yemenite Burnett. Like, even when I'm gay for hoes, like, I like dark hair. I'm a dark hair.

[01:09:54] Speaker C: Sultry about it, you know?

[01:09:56] Speaker A: Sultry. It's a little evil, mysterious. Like, I fucking. I fucking like it. The world doesn't need more blonde.

We have enough.

[01:10:05] Speaker C: I mean, like, just do what. What makes you feel confident in yourself? Don't do it because you think you're gonna make more money that way. You'll be so unhappy. Don't. Just. Just like anything, especially sex work, or even kink world. Don't do something because your partner wants it or because the world is telling you to do it or because you do it because you genuinely resonates with you. Genuine, genuinely. And you want to do it. That's the best reason to do anything or not do something.

[01:10:32] Speaker A: It's not a full body, yes, it's a fuck, no. I can't tell you how many people I did. Me, I met girls at expedites talking about, like, oh, I'm gonna dye my hair, but I can't. My agent says I can't. And I'm just like, fuck, man. Like, it's just, and it's a world that, as a dominatrix, I haven't really been in that studio. The content. Right. Creating world. Like, we're similar industries, but very different in that.

[01:10:55] Speaker C: Absolutely. There's regard, there's certain categories that they kind of want you to fit into, whether it be Milf or Latina or voluptuous or teen or blonde or smart. There's so many of them.

[01:11:08] Speaker A: And that's still, and that's still true even in my world. And it's interesting because it's like, I don't have huge tales. I don't have a fat ass. Like, I've been like, flat is your back. You know what I'm saying?

[01:11:22] Speaker C: More than a handful or a mouthful can be a waste if they don't know what they're doing. So you're good.

[01:11:26] Speaker A: Oh, that is a fantastic quote. I always call myself fun size. I've got just enough for my hair.

[01:11:33] Speaker C: It's not fun size. It's concentrated. It's not, it's not fun size, baby. It's concentrated. Awesome. Concentrated. Awesome.

[01:11:40] Speaker A: Concentrated. Awesome. Eat that, bitches. [01:11:43] Speaker C: Yeah, you gotta, like, say with your chest.
[01:11:49] Speaker A: It's so true. And it's tried, like, there's so many different, like, just categories that people try to put you in. And, I mean, expanding outside of sex work, not just, you know, not just within sex work as women, there's categories they fucking put us in. And so what I love, like, about your story is that you didn't start out in sex work. Like, you actually, like, you were in that normal world that everyone talks about and everyone says, like, go get a real job. It's like, bitch, I had one. I had a real job. And it sucks. I felt like I was in prison. You know what I'm saying?

[01:12:24] Speaker C: Absolutely. That is exactly how I felt, literally.

[01:12:26] Speaker A: And everything from how you felt about yourself to how you took care of yourself to how you run your business and to now, how you've, like, built your fucking empire, it's admirable to anyone within the adult industry or not. Like, I, I fucking salute you.

[01:12:42] Speaker C: Thank you. And we have, I'm just, as I get my sea legs is what I've called them. I just celebrated five years in the industry. And as I get these sea legs, I'm starting. Thank you. I find myself delving into projects that really, you know, resonate with full body resonation, working with, like, minded individuals, a lot of them women, because, you know, empower each other. We need to uplift each other.

[01:13:04] Speaker A: Yeah.

[01:13:04] Speaker C: And the amount of, like, my publicist is a. Is a woman. My business manager is a woman. I started YouTube channel. The woman that I'm hiring is a woman. I just want to be able to give opportunities to people who may have been overlooked a little bit because they don't fit a standard that most other people use to define whatever it is that they're doing. And this industry is a challenging one because even though it's a female dominated industry, there's a. There's more females that. Than there are males. It's still, in a lot of ways, male run.

[01:13:39] Speaker A: Male run. Absolutely.

[01:13:41] Speaker C: A lot of the execs that make decisions are, you know, are. They're men and they have their preferences and things like that. But I think that the. The new movement, I hope is going to be that, especially with platforms, it's created a sense of collaboration over competition. Whereas previously before, you know, things like onlyfans and friends to follow, which you can find me on both. Shameless plug. Yes, do it so, like those.

[01:14:08] Speaker A: We will link it on the show notes.

[01:14:10] Speaker C: So, like, when you. When you have these platforms, whereas in the back of the day, you know, you'd have a company shoot, let's say 30 scenes in a month, just because

I like round numbers. 25 of them would be blonde hair, blue eyed spinners that were 18 to 21. Three of them would be latina, one of them would be asian, and one of them would be black. And it created a sense of competition because you're waiting for the next paycheck to come. Now pop on some fucking lights, put a phone, a phone stand, and make your own concert, make your own day busy, like, do your own photo shoot.

[01:14:44] Speaker A: And also collaborating with people is actually good for your business, good for your brand, versus back in the day, it was just. It was competition. And I do see it's interesting how that, like, mindset is kind of still finding its way out.

[01:14:56] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.

[01:14:57] Speaker A: There still is this competitive, nasty, toxic where when you find the right people. No, it doesn't, because it's so clear by the people that I've. I've worked with and engaged with, and I'm sure you do. Like, it can actually be this extremely supportive, healthy space where people's boundaries are respected, people can communicate their needs, people are turned on for life, people are fucking passionate. Making money. Like, it's a. Yeah, it's a good fucking well running engine.

[01:15:25] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like, so health and wellness. I'll use that as an example. I have a trainer out here in Vegas. I won't move too far away from him. That's how much I love this trainer. He's incredible. Shout out to Anthony. Body by Anthony.

And I have girls who come up to me who say, you know, what are you doing? What are you doing? How. How do you do it? Was it ozempic? Was it. Was it surgery? And I'm like, listen, my tits are the only things I've had surgery on. Everything else is natural. I've been sculpting and going to the gym. Let me give you my trainer's number. Let me put you in touch with him because. Not because it's competition, not because I'm gatekeeping or anything that actually the opposite. I want people to feel the best, like, the best versions of themselves. And if that that's going to the gym every day or eating a little bit healthier or just collaborating with other women who are going to be uplifting, then I've done something good. I've given back to at least my realm, my society, my group of people, and hopefully that resonates to others. I've had other women come to me and tell me I didn't like it that my husband watched porn. And then I saw that he was watching you, and I felt more comfortable because it wasn't an unrealistic expectation. I felt like it was someone more like my body type, like me. And that's powerful. It's moving. I like, I was on the verge of tears. It's like, I can't cry because my makeup artist will kill me. But.

But I. But give me. Bring it in for a hug and grab my butt while you're at it, please.

[01:16:50] Speaker A: You know, sex workers fucking. Making the world a better place in literally everywhere.

[01:16:56] Speaker C: Yeah. No, seriously. I have this joke that I'm like, all sex workers go to heaven because we give too many orgasms and make too many people happy.

[01:17:03] Speaker A: Fuck, that's so true. Orgasms connect you to God so literally. Yeah, you're welcome.

Yeah, 100%, like, you're welcome. So before we wrap up here, I want to give you a chance to please tell the world. I know you told us about some exciting stuff coming out, but please let us know. What exciting stuff do you look to? I'm so.

[01:17:30] Speaker C: I just got. I literally have the box right here. It just came in the mail today.

[01:17:34] Speaker A: I'm like, what are you opening right now? It's a Christmas.

[01:17:36] Speaker C: I'm debuting it here with you guys. I've got a new partnership with Dogtown Enterprises.

They are incredible.

They're amazing.

They're amazing. I've been smoking their valley cake. It smells incredible. This is like the best weed I've had. So many people all throughout Exbiz, anytime I have somebody come over, we're smoking on Dogtown Enterprises, and they all tell me, oh, my God, what did you give me? And I'm like, it's great.

[01:18:06] Speaker A: No, it's fantastic. Yeah, it's fantastic.

[01:18:09] Speaker C: And they just started a new line of deltas for working out and, like, when your body is hurting, you know, like, edible CBD things to release that stress, so that way you can still function during the day. So I would highly check out their product, and if you go check it out and type in clutch ten, you'll get 10% off of your order. So please go ahead and use that.

[01:18:32] Speaker A: I will also, I'll put the link to that in the show notes with your. With your code, please.

[01:18:37] Speaker C: Thank you. And then also, I started a new platform, guys. It's a little spicier than my onlyfans. So if you're into the kink world and you're into things like squirting and being tied up and forced orgasms and. And anything that's, like, a little too much for. Of.
Because their t tos is insane, you can find me there. Friends to follow, Carmella clutch.

And then, of course, all my socials are at the Carmella clutch or the Carmella clutch and clutch. Vip on onlyfans, please check me out.

[01:19:09] Speaker A: Yes. That is so awesome.

[01:19:11] Speaker C: I'm also doing a whole european tour in September. I'll be at Exbiz Amsterdam. Check me out there. Catch me just walking around. Yeah, I'm gonna start doing a lot more lifestyle stuff, so you guys are gonna see more of my day to day routines and more of my, like, crazy life. My crazy, kinky life. So check it out.

[01:19:31] Speaker A: So excited for that. And I'm also excited to have you and Max down here to the Queendom palace. So we're gonna have to record another episode in person together by the pool.

[01:19:42] Speaker C: Absolutely. Oh, my gosh. Yes. I've been working on my summer.

[01:19:46] Speaker A: Oh, girl. Okay. All right, well, we're gonna plan that. And I'm so grateful to have you here today, everyone. Go check her out. Thank you so, so much. And I'll check you guys next week. Thanks, guys.

[01:19:57] Speaker C: Thank you so much, Queen lo. [01:19:59] Speaker A: Thank you.

[01:20:02] Speaker B: What you waiting for?

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[01:20:46] Speaker C: A lover.

[01:20:53] Speaker A: Thy queendom Come is a production of TQC, LLC. Music by Guillermo Jamaat junior and LDk. All stories and audio used with permission. Names and details have been changed to protect the sluts involved.

[01:21:08] Speaker C: I'd make all the Barbies have sex. It didn't matter if you were girl, girl, guy, guy, guy girl.

I put the girls heads on the.

[01:21:14] Speaker A: Guys with my barbies. All of them were Barbie. [01:21:19] Speaker C: Dream House was a shoot house.
[01:21:21] Speaker A: It was? Yeah.