[00:00:00] Speaker A: Happy New Year, sluts and whores. Welcome back to thy Queendom. Come. I am your host, Queen Lo. And welcome to the very first episode of 2025, which was actually meant to be the last episode of 2024, but I had family visiting holiday bullshit and then I fucking got norovirus. Guys, I know you probably see some shit about it in the news and you're just like, guys, take this shit.

It is not good. It is violent. It is terrible. So thus now we have the first episode of 2025 instead, bitches. In today's episode, Mistress Lauren, my girl and fellow professional dominatrix, who I met last year in a session in New York. We instantly hit it off and thus now we give you this fucking hilarious episode. I am excited for you all to hear it and for all of you to have the song bloodiest and most outrageous 2025 that you could possibly imagine.

Dreams can come from nightmares too the Queenom will take over you. Dreams can come from nightmares too the Queendom will take over.

Welcome, Mistress Lauren to thy Queendom. Come. So happy to have you here today, everyone. Mistress Lauren is a fellow dom sister, a mistress out of nyc. We actually met in a session a few weeks ago, which was so fun and we'll talk about that in a minute. But for now, welcome Mistress Lauren. Introduce yourself. Tell the. Tell the people.

[00:01:53] Speaker B: Yes. Hi, Lauren. Hi, everyone.

I'm also Lauren, Mistress Lauren. I'm based out of New York City.

I have been a dom for professional dom for like the past year and a half and have always, like, done it in person at a dungeon and now have a bit more of like an online presence too. So it's been a journey. I. We had a great session together and I'm so excited to like, digest that and just chat about all of our crazy stories.

[00:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah, they. It feels like this world. Like, I'm sure you know that the crazy stories just kind of begin to like blur together at times, you know, Like, I'll have subs come back to me and be like, remember we did this crazy thing? And I'm like, oh, yeah. Like, kinda. It's like, these aren't things I should forget. But yeah, the crazy stories just kind of all like begin to like blur together, don't they?

[00:02:47] Speaker B: Oh my gosh, no. Like, even with my friends too, that's where it blurs the most. Like a couple weeks ago, I'm out with some of my friends and one of them is like, yeah, I always laugh thinking about the time you rolled that guy up in a carpet. But that was so funny. And I'm like, what are you talking about? When I never did that. It took me 10 minutes to remember who he was talking about and what I did. And I. It's a carpet. I put someone in a carpet.

[00:03:14] Speaker A: You should remember this. Like, you should remember this. That's exactly how I feel all the fucking time.

[00:03:22] Speaker B: You're right. They do blur together. Especially like after, I don't know, a couple months, like a half of a year of working there. That's when everything started to jumble together for sure.

[00:03:32] Speaker A: No, definitely in the beginning. You get into this work and you start to, like, have crazy requests. Like, I had a guy, like, request in the very beginning. Like, literally had gone to the candy store and got one of, like, everything. Literally had this, like, a candy store
available. I was just like, I'm gonna put all of them up my ass and then shit them out and eat

them. You. And like, I completely, like, forgot about that until recently. Like, it was somehow brought to my mind. And I'm like, how is that not something I think about every day? That's like, so deeply disturbing? It's not like it just all. It's just another day, you know, it's just another Tuesday.

[00:04:07] Speaker B: Yeah, no, but really. And when you first start, it's almost like you take in everything so intensely. I felt like I constantly was thinking about what I was doing and hyper aware of it. And then you just hit a threshold where you get desensitized and it all mixes together. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:04:25] Speaker A: I can totally feel that when I, like, I will go through the craziest, like, call I have the craziest session, and then I like, get off and eat cake. Like, it's just like, I'm not like, phased by it anymore, really. Whereas in the beginning I would, like, get off of a call or specific. Out of a specific session, and I would be like, what the fuck just occurred?

[00:04:44] Speaker B: Absolutely. I would, like, message all my friends, tell them the crazy thing. Right now I don't even share it much at all because to me it's just like another Tuesday.

[00:04:55] Speaker A: It's so normal. It's so normal. And I think that, like, helps our bitches probably feel better too. Like when they are into this, like, outrageous shit and they come to us with these outrageous ideas and they're like, oh, I'm nervous about sharing this. Or like, oh, I feel shameful. Or shield this. And I'm like, you don't know how normal you are, babe. Like, you're special. You're a unique little snowflake. Sure. But you're not that different.

[00:05:18] Speaker B: I know. I think that that's so funny when they message me so, like, nervous and concerned about what they like. And I have this one guy, he's like, I'm a maid. And I'm so insecure about it, and I'm like, babe, the last guy I just got off the phone with put a Snickers bar up his ass, right? Took it out 8 half, jerked off, finished on the rest, and then ate.

[00:05:45] Speaker A: The rest of it.

[00:05:47] Speaker B: It's really okay. You're a sissy cuck. Me? Do you want to clean my apartment?

[00:05:52] Speaker A: Like, that's fine. And. Well, it's pretty. It's. That's pretty tame, my dear. So how did you get into this world? I fucking love my sex worker friends and people that I meet in this world because everyone has such a different story of, like, how the fuck they ended up here, like, doing. Yeah.

[00:06:12] Speaker B: And I think that's so important too, because I think, like, in mainstream media, there's this idea of needing to do this work because you have no money and. Which, you know, is a story for some people, but, like, getting stuck in it and not liking it and whatever.

[00:06:29] Speaker A: And that's exploitative by nature.

[00:06:31] Speaker B: Yes. And that's been the total fudgeing opposite of my experience. I do this because I want to. I initially did it because I wanted to. So how. How did that happen? I was already living in New York City. I had just started a program for sex coaching. I, like, knew that I wanted to get into the sexual wellness space, and I didn't really know how. I was working at, like, a corporate America job. I fucking hated it. And it was my second corporate America job too. So I'm like, I tried it once.

[00:07:05] Speaker A: I know.

[00:07:08] Speaker B: Not for me, exactly. So I'm researching, like, what I could do in the sexual health space. And a lot of things required a master's degree. I didn't want to do that. I already had a bachelor's degree. So I'm like, I don't want to go back. Whatever. And I find this sex coaching program that's virtual. And you would graduate after 15 months and begin a sex coaching practice. So I'm like, okay, I could do this. I could help people, like, with their problems. That seems really important to me. Um, and while I was in that program, paying for it, I loved it. It was great. I get fired from my corporate America job. So money. I need money to pay for this program. I had just started the program too. There's, like, 15 months left. $15,000. I can't move home. I'm like, I need a job. And I was like, I want to do something that parallels it. So maybe I could work at a sex toy shop. I go to every sex toy shop in New York City. None of them fucking hire me. So I'm like, all right, that's off the list. I would hire you.

Yeah, dude. I don't know. Honestly, there aren't many. And they don't have many positions. [00:08:14] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: Like, people who work at them. They have, like, five people that work there, three people that work there, and they just work incredibly long shifts. At least that's what it seemed in New York to the ones that I went to. And honestly, they don't pay great. It was, like, minimum wage.

[00:08:27] Speaker A: Well, it was meant to be anyways. I just, you know, I would have hired you.

[00:08:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you. So I'm like, this, all right, maybe I'll be a pro dom. Like. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:38] Speaker B: And I didn't really know what it entailed. I had done it a bit in my personal life. I'm bi. I had already had experience, like, doming women and a bit with men. And I've always been kinky. So I'm like, I know, I know. But I don't know how it works for, like, a job, and I don't know how to get into it. And I'm researching how to become a pro dom in New York City.
Everything seems so intimidating. There's a ton of dungeons. I have really no experience.

[00:09:08] Speaker A: New York City is the professional, sane place to just be like, I'm going to be a pro dom. And just.

[00:09:13] Speaker B: Yeah, because I figured out sex toy shop too. [00:09:16] Speaker A: Right.
[00:09:17] Speaker B: I'm like, oh, I can't do that.

[00:09:18] Speaker A: I can't sell vibrators. I may as well, like, use them on bitches.

[00:09:23] Speaker B: No, exactly. But that really was a train of thought for me. I was like, I need money. I need a job. Like, I was single. I'm still single. And I was like, I don't know. I think this would be cool. Like, I live in New York City.

[00:09:35] Speaker A: Yeah. So it makes a lot of sense to me, to be fair. Like, that works. [00:09:41] Speaker B: And. Yeah. So I didn't come really far with my research. I was very

intimidated by all the dungeons online. I didn't even submit an application. And a couple months later, I meet someone who knows someone who runs a dungeon, and I get hired. Yeah.

[00:10:00] Speaker A: That's like serendipitous fog. Yes. You are meant to stop hoes.

[00:10:05] Speaker B: Literally. In my, like, journal, I have it written in like January, it's like, sex toy shop pro dah. Sex toy job is crossed off. And then in May I start working at a dungeon. And I'm like, I can't believe I fully manifested this.

[00:10:19] Speaker A: That's so amazing. And I never would have guessed that you have only been a pro dom for a year and a half based on like, I've worked with you now. Like we had that session together and it was so fucking awesome. You are so on top of your shit. Like you're so know what you're fucking doing. So powerful. And also like, I just, in my mind it's a lot harder to like go work at a dungeon and nyc. Like it was serendipitous as fuck. Like the toy store didn't hire you, but the dungeon rightfully did.

[00:10:55] Speaker B: Exactly. I mean, I think honestly I'm so grateful because I don't think I would have become a dom, a prodom at all had it not been for working at a dungeon. To me, like, being a dependent is really intimidating and it requires a lot more work than working at a dungeon.

[00:11:16] Speaker A: I think. I don't know, I think it's different. I think it's. [00:11:20] Speaker B: It is different.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, as someone, I've always been independent and I was like independent and have. And I was trying to start the online hustle at the same time and they kind of like fed into each other. And I've definitely always felt like I missed out by not working in a dungeon. But like just my like inability to like have an employer, like, doesn't stop at sex work, you know, like the idea that I was going to have, like the idea I'd have an employer, I'd have to shit. Like I just, I repel, like I turned. I like, like shrivel up inside of myself at the idea of like authority really. And so I think like me being stubborn and difficult is the reason I've chosen this path. But I have to say, like, I definitely feel like a little bit of that like, grit, like being in that dungeon and like having like co workers and having a hierarchy and having those things that do seem very like. I don't know, it seems like ancient in our business, right? Like having the dungeon, having the madame and having like the community there. So it's definitely, it's something that I'm like, damn. Like, I wish I would have like experienced. Experienced that a little bit.

[00:12:33] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that makes so much sense. And I mean, I think like there's pros and cons to doing both. So that's kind of what I'm seeing now, Having worked at a dungeon for the past year and a half and now starting to go independent. Like, I'm seeing the pros and cons of both of them, which is really interesting. But I am grateful that I had, like, this experience so far. I learned so much.

[00:12:56] Speaker A: God, I can't imagine that's like the best school. Like, yeah, learn by doing.

[00:13:02] Speaker B: No, really, that's what it was like. I. I got hired. I started the next day. I shadowed three sessions.

[00:13:09] Speaker A: Okay, that's so awesome. Like, I would love to just, like, have been able to just do that.

[00:13:15] Speaker B: It was crazy. I mean, it was. It was ridiculous. I shadowed three sessions, two doms. They were all so vastly different from each other and so just funny. Honestly, made some money at this point. I think I made 300 for that one day. Shadowing, three sessions.

[00:13:32] Speaker A: You're like, y. Yeah.

[00:13:34] Speaker B: To me, I'm like, oh, my God. Meanwhile, you should make a lot more than 300.

[00:13:38] Speaker A: Way more.

[00:13:40] Speaker B: But I was shadowing, so I didn't really get the rate. I got, like, tips and stuff.

[00:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah.

[00:13:45] Speaker B: But to me, I'm like, 300. I'm on unemployment. I'm making 500 a week from unemployment. This is gold.

[00:13:52] Speaker A: Totally.

[00:13:53] Speaker B: The next day, they're like, all right, you have your first solo session. Go for it. I'm like, okay, girl. That's all right.

[00:14:02] Speaker A: Fucking crazy. Like, they just threw you.
[00:14:06] Speaker B: Bigger swim. [00:14:07] Speaker A: Deep end.
[00:14:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, I was. I was good at it. Like, I was good from the get go. Honestly, I knew what I was doing and I wanted to do it that fast. If I had needed more time to, like, shadow and prepare and ready myself, I could have had it.

[00:14:25] Speaker A: Yeah.

[00:14:25] Speaker B: But I was very like, all right, three sessions. I'm fucking good. Let's do it. Who's next?

[00:14:30] Speaker A: Well, you were also, like, you've been at. You were dominant person naturally. You're a very kinky person naturally. And also you had your sex education course, which I think really went into it. Like, I was thinking about years and years ago, before I got into sex work, I was thinking about sex coaching. Like, I was. I wanted to be a copywriter for sacred sexuality coaches. Like, I kind of started out in the. In the learning about. Like, mine was kind of like sacred spirituality, like, mixing that with. With sex. And then that for me turned into sex work, like, similarly, as you like. And I think that a lot of that training, the moment I did step into my first session, which I was shadowing as well, like, randomly enough with our client that We. That we share. That was my first sub ever. Like almost three years ago. Wait, you didn't know that? You didn't know that? Wait. Oh, my God.

[00:15:21] Speaker B: He was your first client.

[00:15:22] Speaker A: You didn't know that? Oh, my God, stop. Oh, wait, you weren't there. You weren't there when the girls and I. So they're actually everyone. It wasn't just me and Mistress Lauren. There were two other mistresses there as well. There was four of us. It was his birthday. It was a fucking party. It was so fun.

But yeah, he was my first sub ever. Because about three years ago now, I was doing like all sorts of different sex work. I was like, quote unquote atmosphere modeling. And I was doing like escorting and companioning and I was just like researching it all. And I was so interested in the world. And he actually reached out to me. I think he found me on like Seeking Arrangements or something. And actually listen. He listened to an episode or two of my podcast and I was not a dom at the time. I did not identify as that. But like, I was kind of sugar babying too. But I was. I realized in that. That I was a lot more spice than sugar. Like, I would get with these guys and I would be calling the shots. I would be calling, like, running the conversation, even if that's not yes, ma'am. And so I started to realize that a little bit that I'm not the sugary. I'm not very sugary. Like, I'm not like, okay, daddy. Like, I've never been that type. And it would liter. Like, it would. It would suffocate my soul to like, have to pretend to be that way.

[00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:16:43] Speaker A: He ended up messaging me just at that time and was like, hey, like, I have a dom session planned for next week with. With Domina Augustina, who we actually called at our session. Remember the. She is. I'm not going to explain what she looks like, but. No, I can.
She's online. She has the red hair. Was I. Maybe you weren't there yet. Yeah, we FaceTime Domino Augustina. She was actually. I've had her on the show too. So he was like meeting. He was meeting with her and he was like, I would love for you to just come and watch and maybe direct and then we can kind of chit chat about it.

[00:17:22] Speaker B: What? [00:17:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And so. [00:17:25] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:17:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:27] Speaker B: I can't believe that.

[00:17:30] Speaker A: Literally. So then the first time I was a good one. It's. He's. [00:17:33] Speaker B: Oh, he's a good one.
[00:17:35] Speaker A: He knows. He knows, like, how important he is to me and what a, like, special person he is in my life, because he truly did, like, wow. I was exploring so much, and I honestly, like, got into some seedy parts of sex work as well. And, like, I was really enjoying. It was kind of like my. I always wanted to be a war journalist. Like, I want. It was like my war, you know, like, in just figuring out this world, you know, with, like, no protections or guardrails. And so I met him, and actually, the first time we met, he was supposed to meet Augustina, and timing didn't work out, so I got. I met up with him right after he had seen her, and the first thing that ever came out of his mouth to me was like, damn, my ass hurts. And so from there, like, we talked, we got on. Like, we connected. He told me, like, you know, kind of his story of why he got into this, and it, like, got into being a sub, and it just opened. Like, I was just like, holy shit. And then it wasn't a few months later that he was like, okay, now let's do a session altogether. And

you can just watch direct. Like, you don't have to participate. Like, I just want your thoughts and kind of thing. And, I mean, I got into that room, girl, I saw Domino Augustina and her crop, and I was like, oh, shit. I was like, where's mine? You know, And I just moved right into it and, like, kind of emerged in that session and afterwards. And so he literally is my og, and I.

[00:19:02] Speaker B: That is so much crazy because from my perspective, like, you, too, are so experienced and so powerful and naturally dominant and just, like, I would have never guessed. I mean, I know you've been doing it. You said three years.

[00:19:20] Speaker A: It'll be doming. Specifically, it'll be three years in March. Yeah. [00:19:24] Speaker B: So you've known him for three years?
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Three years, yeah. Well, I think we met. I think we met in February, three years ago, yeah.

[00:19:32] Speaker B: Oh, cool. [00:19:33] Speaker A: So I was.
[00:19:34] Speaker B: I never would have guessed that he was your first client. Like, you. You have got it down so good.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:19:44] Speaker B: So, so good.
[00:19:44] Speaker A: So much. I mean, we've had, like. We've definitely met since then. We've probably met two or three times a year. Like, this was the first time I had seen him in a while, but we've definitely kept up the relationship. And, like, I spoke on the phone with him, like, last week, and we kind of. Just to debrief the session. And, like, he is. I mean, he. He loves actually seeing, like, the evolution of, like, when he met me, he knew Where I was at, like, in the sense of. I was just kind of like. He knew where I was at in my journey and we talked about it, and then he's watched as I've kind of built this, like, fucking Dom empire, you know, and he's like, whoa. So it's like. But it's also cool and empowering for me to still have my very first client, to now have and to be able to see that, like, evolution and like, fuck, yeah, you know, like, he's still here. I must be doing something right.

[00:20:34] Speaker B: No, you are. You're doing everything right. Like, you are so, so fucking good. But I think that's. That's an interesting point of, like, we do have unconventional but relationships to some extent with our clients.

[00:20:48] Speaker A: Yes, totally.

[00:20:50] Speaker B: I feel like that's what I didn't realize going into it, or didn't expect going into it, was that you do. If you have a client that you see over a period of time, you see multiple times. Like, you do form to some extent a relationship with them.

[00:21:04] Speaker A: Yeah, you totally do. And I think, like. Like, it's interesting because online, you're obviously, you can be talking to your subs, like, a lot more.

And it's like, with him, for example, like, we don't. We just pay. We catch up every few months.

We see each other every several months, and then we kind of, like, pick up. And it's cool because at this point, we've. We've gone through life things at this point and caught up on those things. And obviously that impacts our session too. And, you know, it just gets hotter. Like, the longer you know someone, the longer you've seen someone grow, like, you've seen someone evolve, like, it makes it so much hotter when you actually, like, step into those roles. And now that I've been online for a couple years, the same thing is happening, like, with my online subs. You know, it's like there is a relationship there. Like, they're absolutely paying for it. It's transactional, but that's what keeps it pure. Like, that's actually what keeps it within the lines.
Like, this is a space they know that they can come to and be themselves and bring themselves to and that they can go back into their life. And, like, this is not going to get in the way of that. Like, this actually is a third safe, safe space that they can come to, you know, and they. Yeah, it becomes very therapeutic.

[00:22:11] Speaker B: It really is. I feel like that's why we both got into it. It sounds like we were trying to help people with sex yeah, type of way.

[00:22:20] Speaker A: Totally.

[00:22:21] Speaker B: And then realize, oh, wait, this is a really good way to do that. Like, sex work is a really good way to help people.

[00:22:28] Speaker A: Oh, it's so. [00:22:29] Speaker B: And it pays more.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: And it pays so much fucking more. I definitely have friends who are like, I was. I wanted to do, like, writing and stuff for sex, and I wanted to become a sex coach myself. And now I'm like, I have sex work, like, sex coach friends. And I'm like, you guys are dealing with a lot of the same things I'm dealing with, but there's a lot of beating around the bush. Like, my sex coach friends aren't actually looking at their clients cocks and saying, like, okay, well, it is really small. You know, like, there is a crazy bush situation. There is some grooming that needs to happen. You know, like, the sex coaches aren't having those conversations and they're not getting paid as much. So, like. Yeah, but I think, like, I wanted to help people with sex, but I also just, like, wanted to help myself too. Like, I always was just, like, quote unquote, sexually deviant. Like, I never could, like, really get it right. And that's how this whole thing started with, like, my own exploration into, like, sex and sexuality and intimacy and, like, energy of dominant being, masculine being, dominant being, submissive being, like, that feminine energy. And, like, that really did, like you said, morph into. I'm like, this is powerful. Powerful. And I know it's powerful. I know it's valuable because we get, like. We get paid for it. We get paid a lot of money because it is so fucking valuable. Like, the connection, the intimacy with another human being, that's nonjudgmental and.

[00:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I mean, we definitely get paid for how valuable it is. I think we also get paid for how shameful it is in a way. And that's kind of an interesting situation to be in.
Like, as a sex coach, I'm trying to destigmatize, like, kink and bdsm. But then as a pro dom, like, that's part of where my income is coming from is, like, the fact that people, these men feel they can't share this with their partners. They can't share it with people that they. That they aren't paying.

So I'm kind of, like, riding both rails a bit.

[00:24:36] Speaker A: Girl, I feel that so hard. And I honestly, I have dealt with that in clients. I had a sub recently. Tell me who I have been working with for a while, and, like, he's a sissy and

wants to dress up and all this. And once we had a very, like, real conversation, and he's kind of like, honestly, I don't really feel as ashamed about it anymore. Like, I pretty. Like, I've become pretty accepting, which is beautiful to me. That's exactly what I want. Like, I don't want all these men walking around with a bunch of shame because, you know, who deals with that? Women. So I think it's beautiful for men to accept themselves and be happy and. And not be living with shame and guilt about their desires. However, like, the next message was just like, it's not as hot to me anymore, you know?

[00:25:21] Speaker B: Oh, damn. I know.

[00:25:23] Speaker A: Like, being a sissy and being. Getting bent over and getting laughed at and stuff. Like, I'm. I'm okay with it now. Like, I'm. I'm not. And so it's not, like, as. It's not as hot. And so the taboo nature of it, the fact that it is something that's in the shadows, like, is a part of what makes it so hot. And so I think about that all the time. I'm like, how can I? You know, my main goal is truly above everything to, like, help people live with less shame and less guilt and actually be able to experience pleasure. Like, I do think that that makes the world a better place. But how can you. Like, like, how can we experience pleasure that isn't attached to, like, so much pain and, like, trauma? Like, is there a way to experience the pleasure without, you know, and create. Create that in the scene? And that's why I tell my subs, I'm like, we can create that tension in the scene. It doesn't mean you have to walk out and live with the shame.

[00:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, there's a happy medium for sure. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:17] Speaker B: In terms of feeling, like, shameful, because it can be hot. [00:26:22] Speaker A: It is.
[00:26:23] Speaker B: Nature is hot. But then there's. I've seen a lot. A lot. I mean, I wouldn't say a lot, but I definitely had subs come in where they freaked out during the session, had to leave, cry. Like, felt such deep shame. Or after they finished and were kind of wrapping things up, doing a little bit of aftercare, like, expressing just a lot of negative emotions.

So I'm on board. Like, I don't want anyone walking around carrying that. That's not. That's not hot.

[00:26:54] Speaker A: You know, that's not hot. It's not good for the world. It's not healing. It's not doing what we want to do.

[00:26:59] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:27:00] Speaker A: Yeah. For me, I don't do as many in person Sessions these days. And even back when I was doing in person sessions, like, more often, like, constantly, they weren't, like the intense BDSM sessions that they are now. They were a lot more. They were still a little kinky, but they were a lot more vanilla. Since I've gotten into, like, more and more intense sessions. Like, a lot of those, for me, happen online. And so I'll have a sub who. We have an intense session, and then they do experience that. Like, that sub drop that.

[00:27:32] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:27:33] Speaker A: So it's sometimes hard online because you have the session with a sub and then they leave. And a lot of times they're dealing with that, like, those after moments on

their own.

Right. And I haven't really experienced a many times, like, in person, I've definitely, you know, of course, aftercare, I've had, like, softer moments with subs, but I've never in person, like, experienced, like, a true sub drop the way that I kind of have online. But it's different in person. So I'm curious, like, how do you. How do you handle that? Like, if somebody is in session, is it afterwards? Like, what do you do to, like, take care of them and yourself?

[00:28:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a great question. It. It definitely varies per person.

Like, I think obviously a big part of this work is, like, intuition. So I try to kind of read their vibe and see what they need. A lot of it is, like, them scurrying out of the room, right? So getting dressed really quick, getting out of there.

[00:28:31] Speaker A: Oh, my God.

[00:28:35] Speaker B: I guess the worst was I had an out call. So I'm at this guy's apartment. It was like, 3am on a weekend night in Manhattan. And he clearly had, like, been out or something or had been drinking or whatever. His roommate told him. He's like, we need to be quiet. My roommates home, whatever. So I'm in the room with him. He has, like, this tiny little, like, lower Manhattan bedroom, right? The TV's on so the roommate doesn't hear us. And it was a pretty intense session. A really intense, like, loser humiliation. Just, like, major degradation. I'm spinning on him. I'm slapping him, like, all of the things. And he was really enjoying himself. And then he finishes. And it was great timing, too. Like, the hour was about to be up, so I'm kind of getting ready, but I don't know. You kind of, like, try to read the room, read the vibe a little bit. Are they gonna give me a tip? Like. Like, are they gonna say anything? And an. Alcohol, to me is very different than an in call because it's like I'm leaving their space.

[00:29:39] Speaker A: Right.

[00:29:40] Speaker B: So it's just a different vibe than like seeing them out. So I try to, like, I don't maintain my dominance and. And whatever, like, be in my Persona and. Oh my God, what did he say to me? Like, I'm kind of just putting on my clothes and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna head out. Can you just go?

[00:29:55] Speaker A: What?

[00:29:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Can you just leave something like, really rude and just like. And I was like, yeah, I am. I'm leaving. But like, you.

[00:30:08] Speaker A: That is you disgusting behavior.

[00:30:12] Speaker B: But he was clearly someone who felt bad about it afterwards. [00:30:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: So I. That's one of the things, like the mean kind of attitude I don't experience often. That was one of. I don't know, I can't even remember another time that that happened. But there's like that scenario, there's kind of the other scenario where there's not much word said and they're just like scurrying out or kind of like, you know, getting you to leave quickly. And then the other is if they express like any sadness or if they ask for aftercare, they want to talk about it. So sometimes we'll do that. Which I'm happy to do. If it's on the clock.

[00:30:48] Speaker A: Sure.

[00:30:49] Speaker B: But if it's not, then, you know, that's part of working in dungeon too. Like, it's not fully my responsibility.

[00:30:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is kind of nice because you don't have to. Yeah. Like, you don't have to be responsible for that. But I do think that's an interesting note on aftercare that like, it is on the clock and I love that because, like, I have also given aftercare in some situations. Sometimes guys don't need it. Like, sometimes guys, like, we wrap up and it's like, yo. Like, it's fun. Like, we're.

[00:31:17] Speaker B: Yes.

[00:31:18] Speaker A: We're friends. And then some of my sluts, they do need like a little cuddle or a little head scratch, you know, like a little softness. However, like, it's not like I'm gonna stay extra. Like, I'm not staying extra for that. I have like, I have subs who message me. Like, especially, like, I'll see like cheapy subs will message me and they'll be like, hi, Goddess, can I get like a. A five minute call? And then can we have can is. Is like, do you provide aftercare afterwards? I'm like, if you pay for it, yeah, I would love Desiring aftercare and needing aftercare is totally fine. Like It's. It's actually a very healthy response to want to discuss and process your feelings. However, when it turns into a way for men to manipulate sex workers into giving them time for free, that's not okay. Okay, My dog is. My dog is licking his water again. You know what? You guys. You guys are all just gonna get to listen to my dog.

[00:32:12] Speaker B: No. I hope that some people listening are into puppy play and they're gonna be super jealous, honestly.

[00:32:18] Speaker A: Yes. Go get your balls. And I want you to compete with the sound I have. I rescued this dog, and literally, I'll be on calls in my studio, and he will start barking at the fireworks or the other dogs or whatever. And it's so bad that I have, like, a. You know, a guy's like, dick and mayonnaise or something, and all of a sudden, he's, like, barking so loud, I'm like, excuse me one second. Like, my beach dog. I am a goddess, and I am also a hero. So please hold. Let me get this dog out of here, because he's such a riot. But then he goes somewhere else and just makes, like, elephant noises. So it's. Yeah.

[00:32:52] Speaker B: That is so funny. Guys sticking mayonnaise.

[00:32:57] Speaker A: They love mayonnaise. And I actually make my own these days. I make my own mayonnaise, so I've been considering making, like, oh, my God. My bitches make their own mayonnaise and put some cum in it.

[00:33:07] Speaker B: You should sell your mayonnaise.

[00:33:08] Speaker A: I have thought about that, too, except I don't know how I would, like, get over the border, get through custom. This is my. My special cum mayonnaise. Have my man, like, fucking jerk a load in every batch.

[00:33:23] Speaker B: That's hysterical. It's so funny to, like, get creative with it in this job. There's so many different ways you could take in and what people are into, and we have to keep it exciting, like, for ourselves as well.

[00:33:36] Speaker A: Oh, girl, that is the fucking truth. Like, and I've gotten to the point, too. Like, I used to entertain bitches, and I'd be like, oh, my God, this is so boring. Like, it's just, like,

bottom of the barrel, mindless. Like, just like, mommy, mommy, mommy. Like, yes, mommy. Hard. I'm just like, this is lame. Like, and I've got to the point now where I'm just like, I'm bored. Yeah, I'm bored. Like, I cannot be excited about this if you are boring me. You know, like, you need to bring personality to the table. And I think a lot of these guys, like, show up to our space too. And they'll be like, I'm ready for the show.

What show? Like, you're giving a show. Yeah, consider me the circus ringleader.

[00:34:18] Speaker B: No, for sure. Like, that's something I've been experiencing a lot now in the transition between, like, starting to do stuff online and starting to go independent is like the ridiculous things that people will say.

Like on, on my only fans, they're like, oh, do you do shows? Like, video show and. Yeah, I do video calls, but what the. Are you calling it a show?

[00:34:43] Speaker A: I say that, like, all the time.

[00:34:45] Speaker B: I think I'm gonna do a strip tease for you. Like, Right. That's not what this is.

[00:34:49] Speaker A: Right. Thank you. [00:34:50] Speaker B: You're the show.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: You're the show. I'm the ringleader, you're the circus. Like. Like, I can't stand when they say show, even if I know what they mean. Like, I know what they mean. Like, are you ready to do a call? But I'm like, language is important here.

[00:35:03] Speaker B: It is so important. I fully agree. Like, I. If. And. And it's a good way to weed people out too. The same way as you said. Like, oh, do you do aftercare afterwards? After a five minute call? Yeah, sorry, sorry.

[00:35:19] Speaker A: It's always the five minute callers. It's.

[00:35:23] Speaker B: An eight hour session with the guy, the one that I rolled up in a carpet. Like, he didn't ask for aftercare.

[00:35:32] Speaker A: No, literally, that's exactly it. And the ones who actually do want aftercare, it's simple. We get on a call, they're paying by the minute, they come, and then they don't just hang up and run away. We just stay on the call. It's not such a, a, A big thing. Like, there is a way to get these things that you so desire, but being a cheap bitch is not gonna get you there.

[00:35:56] Speaker B: I can't stand a cheap. Oh my God.
[00:36:00] Speaker A: Now being online, like, there are just so many more ever. There's so much more access. Like, being online is incredible. I have loved being online. Like, it's definitely like, changed my life being able to like, have this much access to people, like, all over the world and for them to have access to me. And I think it's a beautiful thing. However, it really opens the door to a lot of crazy shit.

[00:36:22] Speaker B: It does crazy shit, disrespect. And again, I love it. I, I feel the same way.

Like, there's so many more people to connect with, so many more experiences to be had, so much more money to be made. Like, all of the things. It even like, allows you And I to connect so much. But working at a dungeon, it's almost like its own screening process of, like, there are time wasters for sure, but like, I'm not really dealing with them. The like management, like booking is dealing with them. And even so, people are less likely to reach out to a dungeon for an actual session and be a time waster than they are to like message me in the DMs.

[00:37:02] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. 100. So how do they. With the dungeon? Like, how are, how are people screened there? Is it more lax?

[00:37:10] Speaker B: I don't know the full process, to be honest. Like, I don't really know totally how the screening is done. But my understanding is that like people reach out, they need a phone number. If it's a first time client, we require a deposit.

And then in some cases, like there's age verification. I think we just kind of assume like it's New York City and you're reaching out. So there is a little bit of like assumption that you're gonna be a legit good client and there is like, there is a business behind it. So if you do something wrong, if you try to pull any, not pay, like, harm us, which knock on what has never happened. But like, you have a, you have not only me as the dom that can share my story, but you have a whole business. There's 15 of us. Yeah, there's management, there's a space that you're coming to.
People know where you're gonna be, what time you're gonna be there, what time you started, what time you finished. Like, it's just, it's almost like the legitimacy of the business is the screening process itself. And again, I don't know fully, like what goes on behind the scenes. And like, maybe there is more to it than, than I'm aware of, but it really is like that, that legitimacy.
And like, they have to be more accountable because there's multiple people involved.

[00:38:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And it's a, it's a, it's a legitimate business. And people, I think are more likely to call a dungeon, take a business seriously. More seriously than say, calling someone independent. Like, they might. Yeah. I think they can kind of get away with.

[00:39:00] Speaker B: Yeah, there are time wasters still. Absolutely. But I think less so than when you're independent.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And just, I mean, I wonder if people listening to this too, because I've definitely been asked the question, like, dungeons, like, are dungeons even legal? Like, what do you mean? Dungeons in New York City? So how do they maintain that legitimacy? Like, how for people in middle America who Are like, how the fuck do dungeons even exist in America? What does this look like? Is it a brothel? Like, do you have a pimp? Like, like, can you explain?

[00:39:35] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we have to be more cautious. I think that's how we. We stay legitimate is, like, we can't do a lot of things that you would see, like a normal sex worker for. Like, we have more rules. No penetration.

No, obviously. No. Like, jobs of any kind. No sex of any kind. Like, no nudity on our part, which is standard for, like, if you're seeing a pro dom, I feel like. But we just have to be more, like, upfront and serious about it.

[00:40:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:10] Speaker B: So, yeah.

[00:40:11] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it's interesting for anybody who listening, who doesn't know, like, in a lot of places in America, if there's no penetration, it's not considered prostitution. So that is why it's completely, completely fine for us to take money from bitches to walk them around on leashes.

[00:40:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, it is legal. It is sexual, of course, but it's legal because there's not, like, penetration, you know, and nudity and whatnot. So that's how we remain, like, legitimate. Did that answer your question?

[00:40:46] Speaker A: Yeah, no, totally. And I think it's just interesting for people to know because I have definitely had that conversation with folks of, like, what is considered, what is not. Like, even, you know, I have definitely never done anything that would be seen as criminally illegal.

[00:41:06] Speaker B: Never, Never, never.

[00:41:08] Speaker A: Even as an independent, I follow super strict guidelines and rules. Always. [00:41:15] Speaker B: We are legal people. Always.
[00:41:20] Speaker A: So funny.

[00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, like, working in a dungeon, you have yourself to worry about, but you also think in the back of your head, like, how are my actions going to impact my coworkers?

[00:41:29] Speaker A: Totally. Yeah. You have to.

[00:41:31] Speaker B: And it's honestly helpful, especially starting. [00:41:35] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:41:35] Speaker B: You have clients who want to take advantage. They come in, oh, but you can't just give me a hand job. Like, if I was independent and I had just started doing this, I. I think I would have been much more susceptible. Like, oh, well, I'll just do that. But in the back of my mind knowing, like, I. I can't.

[00:41:57] Speaker A: You can't.

[00:41:58] Speaker B: I literally, I can't fucking do a hand job. And also being able to say, like, we don't do that here. It's not just that. I don't do that. We don't do that. That's illegal. Our business doesn't do that.

[00:42:11] Speaker A: Totally.

[00:42:12] Speaker B: That was really helpful and still is really helpful like, that I had more of a reason to say no to things. It wasn't just me and questioning myself, should I do this? Should I not do this? It's like, no. Yeah, like, no, no, no. I can't do that. We don't do that. If you want, like, get the fuck out. Yeah, like, kicking. Like, we'll kick someone out if they ask for that. If they push our boundaries, you're done, you're leaving, and you're not getting our money back because you know what we offer.

[00:42:41] Speaker A: Right. And it puts everyone at risk. Yeah.

[00:42:45] Speaker B: And I think absolutely.

[00:42:47] Speaker A: No, I definitely think having the guardrails like boundaries. And I think it's true still. Like, I now, these days, like, I have an entire PDF document that I send out to my subs when they book a session in person that says my boundaries of, like, no pussy play. Like, you don't touch me unless I instruct you to things like that where I can. And I have them fill out a par. A form to tell me their hard limits and boundaries really do help you be, like, more free. Like, you're way freer more free in. In a session. Because if everyone respects them, like, you're able to have those guardrails and, like, really play and explore and not be worried that someone's going to cross the line. But I do think, like, starting out, especially, like, the way I started out, I had no fucking guardrails. I had no boundaries.

[00:43:37] Speaker B: Like, you don't know.

[00:43:38] Speaker A: No. And you have to develop those. And it does become more natural as time goes on. And it's empowering, too. And it's just. It becomes, like, from this thing. I remember starting out and being afraid that I would get asked some things and I would, like, feel, like, pressured or I would feel like just kind of, okay, I guess I'll do it. And. And now it's just kind of like, no, we don't do that here. Yeah, like, it's just. Yeah, it's empowering. And then outside of the dungeon.

[00:44:02] Speaker B: That's my favorite thing about, like, being a pro dom compared to any other job that you could have is like, like, you know, you work at a store and the vibe is the customer's always, yes.

[00:44:13] Speaker A: No, no.

[00:44:14] Speaker B: Like, our vibe is the client is always wrong.

[00:44:18] Speaker A: The client is always wrong. And that is the truest thing ever. It's the reason that I would never last in customer service, that I would never work in a last and a normal job. Because, like, no, like, the customer is not always right. Sometimes the customer's a fucking dumbass. And I just absolutely love, like, like, one of my pet peeves these Days is seeing, like, super powerful, dominant women who are using all of their, like, qualities to, like, benefit the man. Like, they're, you know, they're. They're selling cars or whatever, and they. They got hired for the same ass qualities that, like, we're using, in a sense, but they're using those qualities to, like, benefit the man. And they're having to, like, bite their tongue when they're listening to the boss, and I'm like. And then the boss is just going in their office, shutting the door, calling me, and I'm fucking biting my fucking tongue. You know what I'm saying?

[00:45:09] Speaker B: I know. Oh, my gosh. I don't know if you've seen this, but there's, like, this series on Tick Tock with this girl, and she's like, melania is Trump's dom, part one.

Like, why Melania is Donald Trump's dom. [00:45:22] Speaker A: Oh, she's.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: And I'm watching this. I'm like, I get it. Yeah, she's like, a bad whatever in some regard, but. But she's not his fucking dom. Like, she's benefiting him. Like, if she's his dom, like, just. No, I don't.

[00:45:37] Speaker A: That's hilarious. And I don't necessarily think that she's whipping him, but,

like, maybe his fin. Dom, like, she's like, sure, but I mean, maybe. I think it's more of a sugar baby, like a bratty sugar baby type of situation, you know? Like, I don't.

[00:45:53] Speaker B: But actually, no, she's not letting him treat other women and, like, our country. Well, I know you're not in the U.S. but, like.

[00:46:02] Speaker A: Oh, no, but I'm very much in the shit. No. 100%. Like, yeah. I don't know if I necessarily. Totally believe it. I would like to watch the series, though. I'm not on Tick Tock as much.

[00:46:12] Speaker B: As I. I can send it to you later.
[00:46:16] Speaker A: Please do.

[00:46:17] Speaker B: It's interesting. I. I get it. Like, you know, but not every powerful woman is a dog.

[00:46:23] Speaker A: No, totally not morals.

[00:46:25] Speaker B: You know, like, we. We support other women. Like, we just, like, fight for equality. Like, standards that come with this line of work.

[00:46:35] Speaker A: Totally being. Being a leader, being able to, like, actually lead. Like, people choose to give us their power. People choose to surrender to us for a reason. Because, like. Yeah, because we're good at it.

[00:46:48] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:46:49] Speaker A: Honestly, like, I think a. Like, I think a ton of people in fucking government, maybe Trump, who knows? I think a lot of them are on their knees fucking sucking strap.

[00:46:58] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:46:59] Speaker A: Like, I'm pretty fucking sure. I'm just waiting for the day patiently that I'm going to be blessed with a fucking congressman. I wish it were Matt Gaetz, like, Matt Gates. Get on your fucking knees. Like, oh, God.

[00:47:14] Speaker B: And because they'll pay so much more money.

[00:47:16] Speaker A: They pay so much, but also money. I just, I. I feel like I was a poli sci, like, double major for like a semester. And then I realized, like, being one of these cookie cutter bitches is not going to work for me. I'm going to find my way to fucking Capitol Hill, but it's not going to be this way. So I'm just going to fudgeing. Have fudgeing bitches carry me up the steps. You know what I'm saying?

[00:47:41] Speaker B: Yeah. It is like being so important in the shadows. [00:47:45] Speaker A: Oh, totally. We're running everything.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: Yeah, we really are. We really are.

[00:47:52] Speaker A: It's like we really are here. Yeah.

[00:47:53] Speaker B: Sips tea no, but sometimes, like, it can be, I don't know, not sad, but it's almost like you don't get the recognition in some ways that like, you want because of where we are.

[00:48:08] Speaker A: Totally.

[00:48:09] Speaker B: But then we get it, you know, the validation and like the money and the payment in those ways. But there is, like, cons of being in the shadows.

[00:48:20] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, 100% all the time. I mean, even the. In what we, you know, miss from our grandparents and families and people like, congratulating us for the incredible job we're doing at sex work, you know, to make up for that, we just make a shit ton of money.

[00:48:39] Speaker B: Yeah.

That. I can't talk to my parents about my job. Like, I'm just, like, wealthy.

[00:48:46] Speaker A: Like, it's fine. To make up for the fact that I'm so lonely. No, I'm just kidding.

No, I actually.

[00:48:53] Speaker B: Great.

[00:48:54] Speaker A: I love my mom and I'm so happy. My mom knows exactly what I do. And I've actually gotten that girl on loyal fans and had her made a few dollars. It was hilarious. Yeah, girl. It's so funny. It's so funny. But like, my. The rest of my family in the south, like Bible south, like, they definitely know what I do, but it's more like a don't ask, don't tell situation. So anytime we go there, it's all about, like, my brother's investment real estate, you know? Like, it's like, oh, he's doing so well. He's doing so well. And I'm like. And I'm just withering away over here.

[00:49:29] Speaker B: You know, it is like a donut don't tell for most people in my family too. And it's like, oh, focus on, you know, this sibling or this person, whatever. In the back of my head, I'm like, I'm fucking doing so much better than that, right?

[00:49:45] Speaker A: 100%. My dad, actually, really, you know, I love him to death, but he lives in the south. And, you know, we're just on different. Like, we are on different pages, politically, really different pages. And it's difficult. And the day after the election, he texted me some. Some stupid shit. And it's always been a don't ask, don't tell situation. And, I mean, I got on the phone with him at that point, and I was like, dad, like, I was like, I didn't realize I needed to say this so plainly. Like, I know. Like, you know, I'm, you know, I'm a dominatrix. I think you guys like to think of me as, like, kind of like a therapist in a way. But, you know, I'm a whore, right? Like a full whore, like, in everybody's eyes, you know? And so I was so pissed, like, the day after the election, and I was like, that's the first time I've been that straight with my dad. I'm like, listen, I know I try to put a lot of roses around this for you. Normally. Like, I'm a whore. I'm a sex worker. Like, I'm in the adult industry, you know, Like. Like, you don't even know trans people where you live, and you guys are obsessed with, you know, Biden creating hurricanes and shit. But, like, my whore life is actually being affected right now by this, like, please, off.

[00:50:55] Speaker B: It's so funny how we sugarcoat it, though, to them. Like, my dad, too, knows what I do and had a conversation about it one time. He's like, well, what exactly do you

do? And I'm like, what is the. How can I make this sound, like, so pg? Like, what can I say? [00:51:14] Speaker A: Totally.
[00:51:15] Speaker B: Oh, I. I, you know, I laugh at men and I. I slap them sometime.
[00:51:25] Speaker A: I usually try to explain, like, the philosophy of what I do and the theory of what I do, you know, more so than, like, the actual execution of what I do, which is why, like, my grandma, you know, my grandma's like, so you're helping people? And I'm like, yes, I am. Like, I really am. So I think they had this, like, in this idea their mind. But I was just so annoyed after the. After the election that it was just, you know, kind of put out on the table. So, you know, I'm one of those girls that definitely, like, incels talk about On Twitter, it's like, I'm sure your father's proud. Like, bitch.

[00:51:59] Speaker B: Oh my God.

I'm surprised I haven't gotten that comment more. I've only gotten that comment like two times actually, but it's a really stupid one to me.

[00:52:11] Speaker A: It's so dumb. I was like, are you kidding me? Like, he actually. He actually is proud. Like, he came here to visit my beautiful home recently. He met my man. Like, he's seen that I'm like, not a degenerate running around the world that I have my together.

So yeah, I think he is proud. And I think that that take is so stupid. Like, I think there's a million worse things that I could be doing. Yeah. Is your dad proud? Intel? I bet he wish he would move out of this basement.

[00:52:41] Speaker B: And you know, half of those people leaving those comments are just like, like subs and are so repressed, dude, they have to take it out in anger.

[00:52:50] Speaker A: The hate waking thing. Like the sub, like the hater. Like the. I mean, there's even full accounts that are dedicated on Twitter to like, fin. Dom, like, recover from fandom. And it's just like a full page of just like fandom is evil. These like, rat like Satan hoes. And it's just like, like you have such a strong fee. You know, you could just like never. You could go on Twitter every day for your whole life and like, never enter into sex worker fendom. Twitter, like, that is a very intentional decision.

[00:53:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. But they're. They're so like, repressed and just angry about what they like.

[00:53:27] Speaker A: Yeah.

[00:53:28] Speaker B: Like, if you run that page, you like fandom.

[00:53:31] Speaker A: Clearly you hate that. You're just like sitting there like, fuck fandom. Like, whacking your cock for anyone who can't see me motioning, jerking my imaginary.

[00:53:41] Speaker B: Share. It's really interesting. There's so many different people out there that we work with and like, that we interact with and there's such a beautiful, like, wonderful experiences like the one that we had totally with our client and then there's such terrible ones. But at least we're in a place you can like, laugh about it, you know?

[00:53:59] Speaker A: I mean, you have. You have to. Yeah, you have to. I mean. Okay, so tell me. I want to know. I want to know your favorite and your least favorite dungeon tale, if you can think of it to put you on the spot.

[00:54:14] Speaker B: Okay. My least favorite was.
And I feel like I. I'm so privileged to be able to say my least favorite and like, trigger warning. But it's not a tale of Sexual assault. And, like, it's not a tale of harm. Like, I feel like that's such a privileged position in sex work.

[00:54:33] Speaker A: That's amazing. Yeah, totally.

[00:54:35] Speaker B: But so with that being said, my least favorite dungeon was this guy. I hate him. I'll never see him again. But he. He wants to do wrestling.

[00:54:44] Speaker A: Oh, my God, the wrestling guys.

[00:54:47] Speaker B: Exactly. Wrestling guys. Because at my dungeon, and this differs depending on where you go, like, other places in New York City, this is not the case. But, like, we don't offer switching.

I know, switching. You're the doms, you're on your knees. I don't know. [00:55:05] Speaker A: To be.
[00:55:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it keeps you safer. It just. It feels more authentic, at least to me. I'm sure that's why you do it too. But wrestling is, like, a weird intermediate, because wrestling is switchy.

[00:55:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it is.

[00:55:19] Speaker B: And so I don't really like the wrestlers, but I've had, like, three sessions. The place that I work at, we don't have, like, a restaurant wrestling room. So it's not something we really cater. Like, the most clients we have are like, sissies. Yeah. Like ball busting, foot fetish. Like, those are the more common ones. Whatever. Wrestling. I've had a couple have this guy who's into wrestling, and he's not solely into wrestling. He's into, like. He's being misogynistic with me, and we're kind of wrestling over, like, he wants to role play that. He's like the CEO and, like, I'm the secretary, and I'm supposed to, like, use my feminine energy to overtake him.

[00:55:58] Speaker A: God, yeah.

[00:55:59] Speaker B: With. With, like, hypnosis, which is also not my specialty. Okay. For anyone listening, don't ask me about hypnosis and. And wrestling. So, like, there's a mental component. There's a physical component. I'm supposed to overtake him, and I'm kind of fine with it. I'm kind of like, oh, I'm down for this. Whatever. I like when they have a script sometimes because it alleviates some of, like, my job. So. Okay, that's fine. I'll play along. But then he starts throwing just, like, really sexist comments in there. Like, you want to be the CEO, like, you're a woman. Like, no man is ever gonna take you seriously.

[00:56:38] Speaker A: Yeah.

[00:56:38] Speaker B: Just ridiculous stuff. And I'm like, cover up. Like, that outfit is so slutty. Like, why are you wearing that? It just really ridiculous comments. And I knew it was all for, like, the play of it, but he's being such a bratty sub. And I just didn't want to deal with that, you know, plus the wrestling.

[00:56:57] Speaker A: Plus we didn't even get to the wrestling. [00:57:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
So that was. No, I mean, that was basically the. The session was like, we're wrestling, he's
being misogynistic, whatever. And. And it ends. And it was an hour and bye bye day. He reaches out to book, and I have like two sessions or maybe three sessions back to back. So I'm kind of like texting my. My booking team, and they're like, oh, you have an out call. Like two hours, whatever after your session. I'm like, great, okay. I don't even know who it is. And so then I wrap up my third session in a row at the dungeon, and I'm like, okay, I gotta go to the outfit, call, hey, who is it? And sure, I find out it's the wrestler hours this guy again. And you could always say no. I could always say no, but whatever. It was already.

[00:57:54] Speaker A: That's important.

[00:57:55] Speaker B: You could always say no, but it was already scheduled. I'm like, maybe I'm gonna give this guy another chance because I don't.

[00:58:02] Speaker A: So much better this time.

[00:58:04] Speaker B: He was 10 times worse. Like, the wrestling was worse. It's two hours now, so it's already.

But he. He was just like a major narcissist. And he. He's like a. Not to Whatever, share much about him, but he's like a life coach.

[00:58:18] Speaker A: Oh, my God. It's always the life coaches.

[00:58:22] Speaker B: So he's trying to, like, he's saying stuff to me during this session like, oh, yeah, you should be the one paying me right now, because I'm life coaching. Life coaching you. And just there was such a disrespect for, like, but, you know, my job. And. And I was like, I would never pay you to life coach me. Your advice is terrible.

[00:58:41] Speaker A: I wouldn't hang out with you for free. Like, what the.

[00:58:44] Speaker B: That was another thing too. He liked. He wanted to go downstairs and get drinks, and he's like, oh, so I'll just. Oh. He starts a timer.

[00:58:54] Speaker A: I was about to say, did he pause? Want to pause the timer? Shut the.

[00:58:59] Speaker B: So when we did the session at the dungeon the first time, like, he felt as though it got cut short. The hour got cut short. The hour didn't get cut short. We were physically wrestling, so I couldn't check my phone to see what time it was. So then the time was up. And, like, I guess that's kind of my fault. But, like, we were. I. Whatever. The hour didn't get cut short. We were just physically wrestling.

[00:59:21] Speaker A: It's hard. And check your time when you're rolling around with a full grown man.

[00:59:26] Speaker B: Exactly. So then I see him at. It was an alcohol the second day, two hours. He pulls out a iPad and he's like, I'm gonna start a timer because. Because it got cut short last time. And then he's like, if you want to go get drinks, we'll come back and we'll start the timer afterwards. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?

[00:59:50] Speaker A: Sorry. I'm just collecting my jaw off the floor. The audacity.

[00:59:55] Speaker B: The audacity. So just. I hated it. I'm, like, suffocating him. Like, whatever. We're wrestling again. I'm sitting on his face, and I'm just staring at the iPad, watching the time go down.

[01:00:07] Speaker A: You're like, oh, yeah, you can't breathe, can you?

[01:00:10] Speaker B: Yeah. I've never counted down the minutes of a session so much. And again, you could always say, no, I could have always left. But whatever. It was an alcohol. It was like, deep in Queens. I'm like, there was uber money spent to get here. And, like, you know, again, it's not unsafe. I'm not being harmed. I'm just fudgeing annoyed. So it's fine. But he was my least favorite client.

[01:00:36] Speaker A: Well, again, I am so happy that that story isn't one where you were hurt or harmed. No one.

[01:00:43] Speaker B: Exactly.

[01:00:44] Speaker A: It's hilarious in hindsight.

[01:00:47] Speaker B: And he. He still is a client and he still asks for me, which is the annoying part, because I'm like, dude, you know that I don't like you. You know that I don't want to see you. So, like, it just. It's part of the bit. Like, you want to see me because you know I don't like you. Like, that's part of it. He's like a bratty sub. But my other co workers like some of them also. I've seen him and don't want to see him again, but others are fine with him. And, like, that's fine. We all have our different preferences. I'm sure there's people that I continue to see that my co workers don't want to see for whatever fudgeing reason. So that's fine. He's still a client, but I will never see him again.

I see wrestlers sparingly.

[01:01:25] Speaker A: Honestly. I. The wrestlers are kind of funny because I as well, like, I have gotten some because they see me. I'm like, kind of tall, lean, like, and, you know, but they'll.
They'll be like, you look strong and, like, you're so small, but you look strong. Like, you look like you could, like, take me. And my issue with the wrestling thing is, like, you said it switchy.
Because it's. You're actually fighting for power. Like, wrestling in and of itself, your tug of warring for power. And that's just something I will absolutely never do in a session. Like, there is a difference. Like, oh, I'll take a. I'll take a bratty sub. Wants to be like, no, no. And, like, our slut is bratty. Our slut that we share. Like, he can be bratty, but he's very fun bratty. And he's bratty, so we can punish him. It is never a question from the moment that we. We get together, who is actually in power. Like, there's never that. There's never that, like, fight that struggle for it. But I had one.

[01:02:18] Speaker B: And it's not disrespectful.

[01:02:19] Speaker A: It's never disrespectful. And it's such a difference between, like, being a.
Who's like, oh, like, make me. Like, you're gonna take my power from me. Like. Like, I'll never have that conversation ever.

[01:02:32] Speaker B: Yeah.

[01:02:33] Speaker A: But I had a guy who was reaching out to me on one of the. The platforms, and this is, like, a. Against the terms of service on most platforms because it could be dangerous. But he reached out. The wrestling. Yeah, wrestling is, like, is against TOS on a lot of platforms just because I. It can be dangerous. It's like, especially if you don't know what the fuck you're doing. Yeah. And I had a guy for a while who was, like, sending me, like, videos. He was, like, wanting me to watch his videos. And he is super, super, super into wrestling. And he would get. He would go to these girls who have, like, thighs, like, muscly thighs the size of my torso, and they would fucking choke his ass out. And he would send me these videos, and they would be like, crazy music, crazy lighting, crazy effects. They'd be, like 15 minutes long.

[01:03:22] Speaker B: And this wrestling guys always have videos, like, they want to send you, and.

[01:03:27] Speaker A: They'Re not just, like, regular videos. Like, it. It's been edited. Like, he spent time editing this video, and now I'm watching it, and I'm watching his face go purple, and he's, like, twitching and actually passing out.

This guy. This guy. I literally asked him. I was like, bro, this can't be healthy for you. And he's like, no. Like, it's fine. It's totally fine. And one conversation, we had one day he started talking about his unexplainable headaches and the shit that he's experiencing. And I'm like, like, bro, like A plus B. Like, if it looks like a one legged duck and walks like a one legged duck, you know, like, come on. Eventually I told him, I was like, I genuinely can't do this anymore because if something happens to you, like, I can't be. I can't be a part of this. You know what I'm saying?

No, I can't condone this. Like, what if something fucking happens to you and then the fucking authorities are going to look in your phone and there's some dumb bitch online who's like, yeah, get choked out more. This is great. Like, no, you. Yeah, stop.
[01:04:30] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that's like a line to be drawn is like, if they're safety. [01:04:36] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. Like, that's why we have to be careful in sessions. We
have to be safe. That's why I, like, some of my subs will be like, please, like, beat my dick. Like,
ruin my testicles. And I'm like, I'm not going to do that. Like, I think anybody who does this shit and participates in that kind of shit, who does. Like, absolutely. There's actually a way to like, you can hit the balls. There's a pressure, there is a certain, like, level that is okay. But some of these people who come in and they literally want to beat the shit out of their balls, and I'm like, I'm not going to be okay when I'm the reason you're in a hospital for a fudgeing ruptured taxi. So, like, I don't care how turned on you are, like, can you please be sensible?

[01:05:18] Speaker B: I had a guy who asked a mom about. Asked me to bring a hammer. [01:05:23] Speaker A: I mean, to use as like a scare tactic or to like actually use.

[01:05:28] Speaker B: His balls with their hammer. He also brought like, you know, the diabetes, like, things that you take to, to draw your little pricky things. Yeah, he, like, picked them up at the store too. When he's like, can you use these on my balls?

[01:05:43] Speaker A: No, I actually can't.

[01:05:45] Speaker B: Are you out of your damn mine? Like, no, but that's another pro I think of like working at a dungeon. And yeah, every dungeon has different, like, things they. They specialize in and whatever. But like, ours were not like breath play. Very minimal. Like, anything. No blood play, no knife play. Like, because it's. And no hammers for Boba, right?

[01:06:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it seems easy. Easy enough. Even breath play. Like, that's One I think people wouldn't necessarily expect. But breath play can be like really intense. I actually did a breath work class like earlier this year and it was like extremely intense breathing. And I experienced what they call like T Rex arms where you're like breathing and you're. It's like very intense. You're almost like creating a high. But like I had a reaction where my, where my arms like in the. It's they T rexed up. Like they contracted up and I couldn't, like they were stuck like that. Like, and the facilitator actually was like pressing on my hands. Like she was trained, very well trained to deal with someone who like had that response. It was freezing. I've never actually experienced anything quite like it. Like I've done a lot of like classes breathing, but it was like a intense, like heavy. I mean, I don't even know how the science to fucking explain it, but it made me understand even more like why really intense breath play in a session. Like if you're not, if you have somebody breathing in this way that is going to trigger these responses in your body. Like if you don't know how to deal with that. If my facilitator had not known how to deal with that, it would have been very, very, very scary because it was not. I was like kind of crying, breathing heavy. My arms were physically stuck, like folded up. I'm like doing it right now if everyone can see me. Wow. But yeah, so even breath play, like is an important like safety.

[01:07:42] Speaker B: That's a very like in depth look at breath play like what you experience. I feel like a lot of clients reach out and they ask for something but they don't actually mean like what they're asking. Totally. I mean more like with breath play, like they want to be choked out and pass out.

[01:08:00] Speaker A: Yeah.

[01:08:00] Speaker B: That's a lot of their definition of breath play. That is true.

[01:08:03] Speaker A: A lot of people have definitions of shit. And it's not actually like, and being choked. Like, I don't know if I consider like being choked. I mean, I guess being choked is like breath play. But I mean choking is fucking.

But it's so dangerous. Even if you don't know how to choke properly, like that's dangerous as well. And that could send, that could trigger a reaction in somebody's body as well. Like I think the furthest I get with breath play is like the kind of tantric breath, like breathing to learn how to like surrender your ass and like relax your ass. When it comes to like anal training, like training your breath Is really important to be able to, like, relax your ass and stuff like that. But, like,
when it comes to, like, insane, choking. Insane. Like, yeah. Breathing, holding. It's just. You have to, like, there are specialists out there who know what they're doing. Fantastic.

[01:08:51] Speaker B: And. Yeah, I'm not one of them.

[01:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I specialize in a lot of things, but even.

[01:08:57] Speaker B: Not bad.

[01:08:59] Speaker A: All right, well, we got so distracted. I don't even know how long we've been on now. So let's wrap up with your favorite ever dungeon story.

[01:09:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I need to think about my favorite. Definitely. Ours was one of my favorites.

[01:09:14] Speaker A: I was gonna say the same thing, because I literally. One of. Yeah, I'll say. Our session was so fun. The synergy between the four of us was so good. The balance, we were all so unique. Also different. It was like a fucking orchestra. There was no power struggle. There was no, like, weirdness. All four of us. I think two of the other two gals knew each other before, but the rest of us were just meeting for the first time, and it was just, like, instant click.
And I love that. And that sub specifically. [01:09:44] Speaker B: Do you remember.
[01:09:45] Speaker A: Sorry, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. [01:09:47] Speaker B: That we actually met on FaceTime.
[01:09:50] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, no, we totally met up. We had met on FaceTime, and I believe I had had met mistress Monica on FaceTime before, but it was a. Yeah, like, first time in person. And it would not have. If anybody looking in on that would not have thought that. But that sub, he has such a crazy gift at pairing people together. Like, I have met. I've had met several friends, like, through our sessions. Like, one of the doms that I did a session with actually ended up going out with me. It's her. My brother Hook looked up. I was like, this is crazy. I was like, this is, like, worlds intermingling right now. This is nuts. But he really, like. He takes so much time and intentionality, effort and putting together his sessions with, like, who he's bringing together, which is the type of an effort and intentionality I love with a client with a sub. You know, it shows that he, like, he really cares about this experience.

[01:10:45] Speaker B: Yeah, no, me too. That's something that I really liked about it. Or just, like, doubles in general role.

[01:10:51] Speaker A: Totally.

[01:10:52] Speaker B: I think can be really, really exciting.

So, yeah, I guess maybe that one was my favorite. Or, like, just a lot of the sessions I've done with him because typically I have done, like, solos with him, but typically there are, like, other doms involved, and it's just so fun to, like, Share that energy and learn new things.

[01:11:15] Speaker A: Yeah.

[01:11:15] Speaker B: Like, I feel like I learned stuff from you and from the other girls.

[01:11:20] Speaker A: Oh, same. It's constant. Like, it's a constant back and forth. There's a constant, like, growing and learning. And I mean, that's how I learned was Domina Augustina, like, brought me in under her wing, and I was able to really, like, watch her. And then I've. I've worked with so many now that it's like I can see bits and pieces, but it's like everyone. Every girl I've worked with is so different and so unique in their own way. And I think, like. Like, for me, being able to do that, like, it's been so, like, I don't know, it's almost been like sisterhood, like,

sister wounds healing. To be in an environment where, like, we're all getting paid a fat, a good amount of money, we're all hot, we're all powerful. Like, we all, like, get a lot of attention. We all, like, have monetized all of those things, and now we're in this workspace doing this thing. And I have never once in that environment felt like, a note of, like, competition or, like, checking each other out or, like, judgment. Like, every girl walks in the door and it's like, oh, my God, like, I'm so excited to meet you. And it's fucking real. And then we have this, like, intimate, fun experience together. And it's. It's bonding, it's cool, it's interesting, it's fucking fun. And it's. It's cool to be, like. I don't know, like, growing up in the south, like, I feel like my sister, like my girlfriends growing up, like, I didn't really. Yeah, it's hard, you know? Like, it's. It's tough.

[01:12:43] Speaker B: Yeah. You have to be so just, like, sexually liberated and powerful. And I love to see everyone's different personalities with it, too.

[01:12:52] Speaker A: Yeah.

[01:12:52] Speaker B: Like, my favorite thing about being a dom is, like, the personality that I have when I'm in that space.

[01:12:59] Speaker A: Yeah.

[01:12:59] Speaker B: And it is, like, it is obviously me, but it is a little bit different. And I do love to see everyone's, like, dom Persona and, like, that. That just power, like, come together and to. Like, sometimes when I have a solo session with someone, like, I kind of know what I'm going to do with them, you know, Like, I know how it's going to. How it's going to go for the hour. Like, I have a playbook in my head a little bit. I even have clients where, like, we specifically do the same thing every single time.

[01:13:29] Speaker A: Yeah.

[01:13:30] Speaker B: This is another one of my favorites. I have this guy who's in a adult baby and we do the same exact routine every time.

I love, like we, I give him a bubble bath, he brings a rubber ducky, he gets a bubble bath with lavender body wash.

[01:13:45] Speaker A: It has to be lavender.

[01:13:47] Speaker B: It's lavender. It's always lavender. [01:13:50] Speaker A: Vanilla will not work.
[01:13:52] Speaker B: This like six foot tall guy doing like our little teeny tiny bathtub, but it works. Whatever.

[01:13:59] Speaker A: I love it.

[01:13:59] Speaker B: I love towel him off. Like we sometimes we read a bedtime story. We do a bottle of milk, I change his diaper. Like so like. And so that's great. Like I, I love that. But I do also really enjoy kind of like the unpredictability that comes with doing a double or a triple dom or, or even, you know, four.

[01:14:20] Speaker A: We don't know what's gonna happen. Like, it's just, it's, it's exciting. It's as exciting as an unknown to us as it is for the client. Almost like.

[01:14:28] Speaker B: Exactly. And it's a nice change of pace. It's fun to switch it up and like be unpredictable and learn new things and just like meet new people. I'm so happy that we met through that experience.

[01:14:41] Speaker A: Oh yeah. This is definitely a fucking divine union. And for everyone listening out there, Mistress Lauren is definitely going to come visit me at the fucking Queendom headquarters soon. And I'm actually getting my dungeon studio built. Like we're talking human cage, we're talking St Andrew's Cross, we're talking spank bench. Like we're getting it all fucking made. My neighbor used to build like luxury houses and now he's just like off in Mexico. He's an awesome guy and he just made me this like pussy steaming throne for my pussy steamer. Like it's like I just wanted him to make me like a bucket with like a hole in it, but he made me like a full ass throne. Can use it when you come. It's great.

[01:15:20] Speaker B: Oh my God.

[01:15:21] Speaker A: His next project? Oh no, his next project is the dungeon. So I'm hoping it'll be done in the next month or so. And then we're going to get Chris Lauren out here for a visit.

[01:15:34] Speaker B: Yes.

[01:15:35] Speaker A: And we're definitely going to be doing more sessions.

Girl, it's so good. And I have like this beautiful little sunset terrace and so you can, can set in the sunset. It's like right in front of you. So you can just like steam your with like beautiful herbs and watch the sunset like, it. It's. It's healing. It's amazing.

[01:15:55] Speaker B: I need that. [01:15:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:15:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Let me know when the pussy steamer is ready.

[01:15:59] Speaker A: Oh, the pussy steamer's done. The pussy steamer is ready. It's here. It's ready. I'll send you a picture. It's amazing. It's amazing. The steamer is here now. He's working on my dungeon pieces, so I'm hoping they're going to be ready in the next month or so. We're going to get your ass out here, then we're going to be doing some virtual double dom sessions.

[01:16:17] Speaker B: And, yeah, I'm game that it's so fun, like, collab with you and work with you 100%. Everyone listening? All the fucking bitches.

[01:16:28] Speaker A: All the bitches. Yes. Get ready. And, I mean, there are definitely ways that we can also do it from long distance. So it's just so fun when, you know, you work so well with someone and, like, we have such a great, like, symbiotic energy. So I can't wait. So sluts out there, if you would like to be dick stomped by Queen Low and Mistress Lauren. I love it. For those of you who don't know, my real name is Lawrence.

Thank you so much for coming. Please tell the people where to find you. I will have all of Mistress Lauren's socials in the notes notes below, but go ahead and tell everybody where they can find you.

[01:17:06] Speaker B: Yeah, find me on social media.

Cherry BB 333. My name is Mistress Lauren. I'm in New York City, and, yeah, I can't wait to beat the shit out of you.

[01:17:20] Speaker A: Oh, I can't wait for us to beat the shit out of you together. [01:17:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:17:26] Speaker A: All right. Please come back anytime. I can't wait for you to visit everyone else. All you bitches. I will see you next week here on My Queen. Be kind.

[01:17:38] Speaker B: Bye.

[01:17:40] Speaker A: What you waiting for? She's got what you need while you. [01:17:46] Speaker B: Over there at the door.
[01:17:51] Speaker A: Nightmares are dreams you just need me the queen has all that you should need Just say that queen will come that will be done Come right in, close the door Just wait for what she's got in store Come right in, close the door Just wait for what she got in store Dreams can come from nightmares too the queendom will take over you Dreams can come from nightmares too the queendom will take over for you.

Go and get them. [01:18:25] Speaker B: Love.
[01:18:32] Speaker A: Thy queendom. Come is a production of TQC LLC with original music by Guillermo Jamat Jr. And AJ Laurie.

I'm just gonna apologize to everyone right now. If you've heard a. A horse gulping water in the background. It's. That's. It's my. It's my beach dog that we just rescued recently. We're put. I'm putting him upstairs so that he can. He's not going to be very happy, but he's, like, sitting right below me, just, like, licking his whole self. And I can hear it in the microphone. She's like, oh, my God, he's crying so loud. Upstairs now. Oh, my God. Did you guys hear that? Did everybody hear the horse? He's upstairs. He's upset, so it's.

[01:19:15] Speaker B: Yeah, he needs a lot of love out. [01:19:17] Speaker A: He needs so much love.